Job Adjustments and Additions Part II (03/30/2009)

[Ahlah]

As has been mentioned many times, this would have to be godly for it to even matter. Any decent LS thrashes Tiamat in short time anyway and letting your RDM melee just to drop it's resistance barely isn't worth it when you could throw BLM or DD in, in most every situation.

Seriously why would some1 not want a shorter fight considering all you need to do is put a properly geared RDM in tank party without any significant side effect? (again assuming auspice is doing its job and RDM has enough accuracy to land Death Blossom with composure). It's even more significant when Tiamat choose to pop at inconvient hours when half of your ls members are offline.

It can be a simple solution to replace need for elemental seal and actually allows BRD to sub WHM and help RDM to land slow on TAU HNM.

[Kairos]

Well.... They didn't really promise. They said it was the closest thing to completion for smn at the time of the last interview. They said closer than new avatar at least <,<

[Hellfury]

As I was reading these update notes, 2x level 59 mobs (PLD granted) resisted both my sleeps at 307 enfeebling magic. I think they read the update notes as well and decided to poke fun at me.

I should've stayed in bed today.

At first I read composure as increasing accuracy and thought that would make for nice heavy stat builds on enfeebles, then a friend pointed out they meant melee accuracy, then I cried, thinking about the horrible parties waiting on the horizon when levelling new jobs.

I know I said I was happy about the state of RDM and just wanted a few new toys.
But I admit it, I lied. I take it all back... This was def. not what I had in mind ;;

[TT]

In the SMN pic it shows them fighting spiders, if hastaga rewrites slow 2 it'd be pretty handy I suppose.

[dejet]

We do need an end-game fix. As it stands now, mobs that are mostly resistant or completely immune to enfeebles prove that you can fight everything without enfeebles. Hundreds of thousands of limit points, countless hours gathering Rare/Exclusive gear, untold millions of gil to gather the best equipment available, and our primary skill is almost entierly worthless. Why even bother to level RDM past level 41 since that is the last and only useful spell that we get?
This is it.

1)you can tank
2) you debuff better then any other job
3) best merit healer job(yaya whm can)
4) fresh(sorta took a hit in the updates b/c of all the crap se came out with)
now you want a 5
5)dd as good as any other job!!why the hell not

rdm is so strong idc im am very sry. do you tank on rdm?

also rdm is the only job that gets throw to the side on some mobs where we can do shit

oh... im sry blm 90% the mobs in ToAU did that to ya.... DI you dont manaburn DD own its ass get over it every job gets throw to the way side on some NMs.

[Mayareira]

Bah, missed that "second-half" part.
My french is pretty bad, but /fr site doesn't really seem to say anything about "second half" either.

If this indeed ends up to be the final job related adjustsments for April update(and looks like it will), its really disappointing. I sorta had high expectations for jobs that needed a "fix" after that WHM announcement.

[fusionx]

What are the chances that BLM updates come out April 1st? >.>

[Hyan]

No no no, there will always be job updates that won't "make it" to the preview notes. Nothing like WHM's buff, but could be something decent.

[TT]

No no no, there will always be job updates that won't "make it" to the preview notes. Nothing like WHM's buff, but could be something decent.

Inc typical PLD enhancement.

[Octavious]

Heh, my point being Ahlah that many (most all) HNM have already been dealt with easily without any of this new material. While this content will be interesting for very situational setups (read: almost entirely situational on a lack of people) I don't see what the point is. I also don't feel like having to carry around melee equipment since my mage equipment on RDM dominates the majority of my inventory. Even with a new Gobbiebag, i'll be running 68/80 pre-melee equipment.

I don't even play RDM much anymore since I can just double BRD in a merit party, but this is pointless for anything outside one or two HNM (if that). The only real thing I could hope for is Composure lasting a worthwhile amount of time, so It leaves the possibility of composure>chainspell>haste on an entire group of melee for a possible zerg setup. Then again, haste already lasts a sufficient amount of time to pull off a zerg anyway and once again it's useless.

edit: I agree with Sept on the fact that a well-geared RDM could already enfeeble most any mob that 'could' be enfeebled. It's either useful or we're completely worthless enfeebling on RDM.

[Septimus]

This is not true, any BLM can tell you landing nuke on Wyrm without any resist is no easy task, more so if your BLM do not have the ideal setup. If done right, we are looking at enspell effect + magic evasion down from Death Blossom + 30% magic acc and damage output from magic burst. That's more than enough to justify a melee RDM esp since now they will feed similar amount of TP to Tiamat provided Auspice actually makes a difference.

The design of RDM mythic + aftermath effect + composure tells us this is what SE want RDM to do - enough accuracy to build TP on HNM. Still need further testing but it sure looks promising

If this does not stack with or is not better than the same Threnody effect, there is no reason to have your RDM melee Tiamat (or anything else that is hard) in the first place. You could use a Ceremonial Dagger to avoid feeding TP, this isn't the point, the point is that it needs to be better than what already exists in game to even consider something this unorthodox that wastes a party spot that could otherwise go to a second BRD or COR that will probably be far more useful to the tanks.

Not to mention that the reason BLMs aren't used on Tiamat is because she has a fairly serious MDB effect. (At least that is what we noticed way back when we first fought her when she was first released.)

That's not necessarily true. PLD got Shield Mastery and Auto-Refresh in April 2006, and the Sentinel/Rampart changes in December 2006. I think most people felt like those two updates combined to fix a lot of the previous problems with the job. While I admit this update is disappointing for RDM, it doesn't mean there isn't more coming.

A lot of people don't even think that RDM deserves this shitty update that we got. Another update, especially if it is useful, is going to get an even worse reaction.

As has been mentioned many times, this would have to be godly for it to even matter. Any decent LS thrashes Tiamat in short time anyway and letting your RDM melee just to drop it's resistance barely isn't worth it when you could throw BLM or DD in, in most every situation.

So funny, I didn't expect much from SE but christ this is like epic failure. Composure better be a huge increase, seriously. >_>;

edit: Oh and someone said it too; RDM didn't 'need' anything, but adding worthless crap we won't use is almost more of an insult than just ignoring RDM again. imho.

And this.

lol we waited 5 years for THIS?

Fixed.

[ringthree]

Outside of the fact that horrible RDM's will now feel justified in meleeing "because SE said they could", there is a ton of over-reacting on the side of normal people. This isn't the end of days, it's a crappy update that most people won't use, like Footwork.

/shrug

I will just wait for tomorrow's update notes on this rollercoaster, and overall it's still a very good update so far.

[Mayareira]

Fixed.

Hey, tier 2 debuff update wasn't bad at all! *points the Ninja crying in the corner.*

[Ahlah]

I don't see how it can only be beneficial in 1 or 2 HNM. Ouryu and Tiamat are still the two most annoying HNMs compared to Kirin/Bv2 where you can pretty much take them down in less than 2mins. Pretty much all TAU HNM including beastman kings are highly resistant to slow/elegy. BRD/BLM makes those fight easier but at the cost of WHM sub.

Death Blossom has already proven to allow RDM and BRD to land slow/elegy on TAU HNM without elemental seal. Simple logic tells us with enspellII and magic burst will only further enhance its effect. The funny thing is landing threnodies on HNM is even harder than landing elegy, and RDM can actually improve BRD's accuracy. Not to mention Enspell effect probably stacks with threnodies too since BRD's song always stack with spells/JA from other jobs.

[Octavious]

I don't see how it can only be beneficial in 1 or 2 HNM. Ouryu and Tiamat are still the two most annoying HNMs compared to Kirin/Bv2 where you can pretty much take them down in less than 2mins. Pretty much all TAU HNM including beastman kings are highly resistant to slow/elegy. BRD/BLM makes those fight easier but at the cost of WHM sub.

How is Ouryu annoying at all? It was one of the easiest most boring fights i've ever done on BLM, lol. Sleep, Nuke in Air, Sleep, Nuke in Air, Sleep, god I almost fell asleep every time.

[Tempyst]

And fuck that clicking the shit off shit. That's fucking bullshit.

So what you're saying is even though there is a useful application of this ability you'd rather just get mad about it

[Attila]

Second half of the job adjustments? So no more job updates probably, just bullshit. Lackluster update compared to what Whm got. Blm still gotten fuck all for updates.

You guys can kid yourselves all you want, I think it's been pretty common knowledge they've been planning on updating whm and rdm (lol?) this update. I don't know why everyone was expecting all of these other jobs. They said they'd be doing whm and rdm at fanfest iirc.

[Septimus]

1)you can tank
2) you debuff better then any other job
3) best merit healer job(yaya whm can)
4) fresh(sorta took a hit in the updates b/c of all the crap se came out with)
now you want a 5
5)dd as good as any other job!!why the hell not

rdm is so strong idc im am very sry. do you tank on rdm?

also rdm is the only job that gets throw to the side on some mobs where we can do shit

oh... im sry blm 90% the mobs in ToAU did that to ya.... DI you dont manaburn DD own its ass get over it every job gets throw to the way side on some NMs.

1) Saying that RDMs can tank is like saying that RDMs can nuke- you can try, but you are going to be terrible at it compared to the real people who do it. Get caught with your shadows down and you crumple like wet cardboard. Not to mention mobs that hit too fast to blink tank.
2) This is true, except for all of the mobs that are mostly resistant or completely immune to your enfeebles. Then your merits and gear is completely worthless and you are only there for your level 41 spell. Not to mention a decently well geared WHM or SCH will enfeeble any mob that is not covered by the above categories nearly as well as a RDM.
3) WHM is a far better healer in merits or any other situation. Besides, who has healers on the inside for merit parties anyway? Put your healers in an outside party and add in another DD, BRD, or COR.
4) Our only actual use!
5) Who asked for this? Because it wasn't me. I wanted an improvement to number 2.

And no, I don't tank on RDM. I leave tanking to the job that has been obscenely buffed to do it and doesn't need a 5 minute head start to prevent BLMs from getting hate by looking at the mob crosseyed.

[laverna]

I could have sworn SE said that this Version Update would include job updates targeting WHM, RDM, SMN, BST and PUP. I see a lot asking for BLM buff. Did I miss when that was said?

[Charismatic]

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