Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

[Therin]

Hey..neo. SE isn't FORCING you to pay for it. You DON'T have to buy it.

This doesn't help your argument at all. Game balance is about fairness. The +80 inventory will undeniably help anyone who has it. Making people pay for balance is retarded.

[Tempyst]

Cheater lol? Fuck off faggot. I bet you think windower is cheating too.

You know if you took up a religion I bet you'd be more calm about minor inconveniences

[Neosutra]

Wow, you know, you are right! It is RMT! Fucking SE!

In fact, paying for expansions is RMT!

For that matter, paying for your account is RMT!

Wait! Paying for the GAME is RMT!

SE should just be like every other game company and benevolently provide us the game free of charge! HOW DARE THEY TRY TO MAKE MONEY ON THEIR OWN WORK!

Fucking communists!

Sarcasm only reveals your inability to refute the arguements of your advesary.

So would you pay for the Job updates too Ringthree?

What about icon changes for armor?

Or perhaps you would like to pay for new missions being added to campaign? With special purchase of the SE coffee mug ofcourse..

[Destinye]

This doesn't help your argument at all. Game balance is about fairness. The +80 inventory will undeniably help anyone who has it. Making people pay for balance is retarded.

This reminds me about Windower for some reason.

[ringthree]

Couldn't agree with you more. The funniest part to me is all of the people that are like, well it's only $10 if you can't afford that you shouldn't play subscription based games, bleh, bleh, bleh. That was mildly acceptable the first $10 this update, same exact response on the second $10 ..... when they announce another in-game item tomorrow for $15 is it still acceptable? What is the limit?

And really, anyone who can say that inventory space expansion isn't a critical thing to every player in the game is just lying. This is one of those issues that we have begged them to correct for years. The token was completely solid on it's own and the price was great. This was totally unnecessary.

I wonder if they'll add another magical real money item this year? That would put us above the current $50 we've already spent to get everything they've released so far. But hey, if you can't pay an extra $50 dollars you're a bum right? Just for fun we should come up with a yearly limit that would be crossing the line. $100? $200? Paying for Job Adjustments?

Next time you go out to lunch, to that same place you always go eat for $8, when you go tomorrow and they charge you $18 for the same thing, pay for it with a smile, right?

For you and Neo. And Neo, sarcasm is usually used when the argument that you disagree with has reached such incredulous levels that appeals to logic are no longer tenable.

Slippery slope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Tomino]

"buy my security key and, well, also get free bonuses ingame"
"buy my band cd and, well, also get free naked shots of our singer"

marketing at its best. or worst?

[Onorgul]

(this one, sugarcoated with a physical device)

You've got it backwards. Everyone who says, "I'm too smart to get hacked," is, well, wrong. But since we're a load of arrogant jackasses who are convinced of our invulnerability, SE had to find some way to force us to get a surprisingly effective security device at a trivial cost. It's going to work for me and it's going to work for everyone else around here.

The Tidal Talisman and Piano Collection were one thing, but this is quite different. This is sound understanding of human nature.

But this is Advanced on BG, where posting rights are removed if you don't automatically complain. The lack of randomized bitching in the White Mage update thread clearly needed to be offset and the Red Mage updates weren't doing enough.

[madpersian]

Poof won't have sex with you sry

It's okay, my wife is smoking hot. Internet girl = no thanks.

On a side note, as far as people who have security tokens for other things like ATMs and AOL accounts, what happens when you lose it?

Can you get it replaced easy? Can they deactivate it and let you go back to your old password? That's my only real worry with this thing as the wife has a tenancy to move shit around the house in a random fashion where they get lost forever.

[Nattack]

Chains of promathia, 19 dollars
Treasures of Aht Urgahn, 19 dollars
Wings of the goddes, 19 dollars
80 inventory spaces? priceless. with this purchase of a plastic stick.

[Therin]

This reminds me about Windower for some reason.

Okay? I'm pretty sure I never condoned that, so I don't see what your point is.

[Riki]

They're a company. They lose money, they turn off the game. Simple as that son.

Or you could take a look at their annual finance report and learn that FFXI is not where they lose money. It is one of their cows they like to milk to fund their other projects. Actually...we are their cows that keep throwing money on them every month and are still happy to throw some more for additional stuff that would have been "free" a year ago.

And as it was said before: Noone complains about the token or that it is 10$.
But linking it to inventory space ingame is bs.

[Destinye]

"buy my security key and, well, also get free bonuses ingame"
"buy my band cd and, well, also get free naked shots of our singer"

marketing at its best. or worst?

Depends on the kind of person you are. Most of the end-game people here complain there's no incentive for shit, SE gives it..lots of people bitch even more.

The sad part of it all, they're still going to buy it.

[Neosutra]

You didnt answer my questions Ringthree. Stop trolling.

Would you also pay for job updates?

Armor Icon graphic changes?

New lolCampaign Missions? (With really nice armor at the end for those that pay the 10 dollar fee!).

[Bregor]

It's okay, my wife is smoking hot. Internet girl = no thanks.

Where's the real_nigga post when you need it?

The sad part of it all, they're still going to buy it.

I was going to buy it anyway for the security. The sad part is, you're still missing the point.

[Fridell]

Ringthree is one of the only people here that actually have something behind his skull bone.
The rest sounds like fucking immature kids.

[Taliesin]

OK let's try something.

The monthly fees cover:
1/ Server maintenance
2/ Updates
3/ Access the game content

In many companies, a new project like expensions would have his own budget, and that explains why we pay for them (Return on Investment in English?)

Now, here's how I see what is happening.
Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong.

We already pay them for the development of things like improvement of the exisiting game (abilities, inv. spaces...), new quests and updates related to previous expensions, etc...
And now, we also have to pay for the result of this development?

I feel like paying twice for the same service, and that's why this way to proceed is BS imo.
If they did it to boost the security of their game, fine by me, I get the tip.

But then this should be released in a normal update in the future, and they should announce it.

And no, I'm not a constant "SE suckz!" guy....

[Xno Kappa]

So much menstruating on this page lol.

[Sho]

How is this not within the boundaries of Playstation 2 limitations? You still only have 160 items in memory at any given point in time.

Edit: Many interviews have stated that they were working on this new portable inventory system, if you weren't paying attention, that's your fault. Quit bitching about it.

You a cool dude Neo, but this guy sums it up well. They had been mentioning at in a few interviews on JPButton, can look for yourself as well.

Even though it's inventory space you pay for essentially, it's a smart business move on SE's part and it's packaged legally as a "Free item" that comes with purchase. Kinda like how Cereal Makers put that super rare toy a kid MUST HAVE, but in their choice boxes of cereal onry.

[ringthree]

You didnt answer my questions Ringthree. Stop trolling.

Would you also pay for job updates?

Armor Icon graphic changes?

New lolCampaign Missions? (With really nice armor at the end for those that pay the 10 dollar fee!).

Slippery slope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because you obviously didn't read it the first time.

[Nattack]

You've got it backwards. Everyone who says, "I'm too smart to get hacked," is, well, wrong. But since we're a load of arrogant jackasses who are convinced of our invulnerability, SE had to find some way to force us to get a surprisingly effective security device at a trivial cost. It's going to work for me and it's going to work for everyone else around here.

The Tidal Talisman and Piano Collection were one thing, but this is quite different. This is sound understanding of human nature.

But this is Advanced on BG, where posting rights are removed if you don't automatically complain. The lack of randomized bitching in the White Mage update thread clearly needed to be offset and the Red Mage updates weren't doing enough.

So its a device sugarcoated with 80 inventory spaces, one way feels right, the other feels wrong. I must be looking at this sandwich upsidedown.