Square Enix Security Token Release Date Details (03/31/2009)

[Kipling]

Took a lot more than micro, but I've been accused of talking over people's heads so I'm trying to be understandable. :D

You so smart.

[Tempyst]

But it's not really a money making scheme from SE, is it?
About half of the money of this is probably going to shipping. Then that will leave them with $5, give or take $1. How much does the thing cost to make? $3(probably more but well leave it at that). Leaving them with around $2 for each item. How much does it cost to set this system up all together and maintain?

With any luck, it'll cost less than it costs them to deal with stolen accounts and destructive rmt behavior

[Araelus]

You so smart.

No, I'm really not, but I've been attacked before for "smart posting" so
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[Bregor]

So gonna assume people finally stopped crying and accepted it..right?...Right?

That about sums it up for me. I saw, I raged, I calmed down. Still, I am not too fond of something as important to the game as adequate inventory space being handled in this manner, but I was getting the token anyway, as were most of the people arguing in favor of an end to the BAAAAWWWWWWing. It doesn't affect me as much as console players who have significantly less risk of being hacked, or the people who just want the token for the Satchel and will cancel its use once they have their in-game shiny, and if you fall into either of these categories, my condolences.

[TripleX]

Oh wait why are we giving reasons to people about getting the item again? SE probably won't order enough....

[Tarage]

I can tell you why people are crying. The people who are most upset by this are the people that weren't going to buy the security tag originally, and now realize that the single best addition to the game in the upcoming update is going to cost them 10 bucks. They find it incredibly upsetting that SE reserved one of the best additions to the game that they have come up with in recent memory, something that has been requested by the community for quite some time now, to act as an incentive to purchase the security tag. It suggests to them (if they didn't know already) that they were bullshitting us about PS2 limitations all this time. It opens to them the possibility that they will begin to charge us money for the items, upgrades, etc. that they want the most because SE knows people will pay real money for them, and/or provide others with the opportunity to purchase things with money that they worked their virtual asses off to obtain. It also invites them all to question whether SE's motivations lie more in making a buck, or providing us with the best version of FFXI that they can. But all of those things are pointless to think about, in the end. It was only a matter of time before SE started to do this, and all we can do is hope that it doesn't get out of hand. In the meantime.... go go +80 inventory.

Cry the fuck more you worthless shit. Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. Stop bitching like a fucking child. I wish I could hate you to death.

That about sums it up for me. I saw, I raged, I calmed down. Still, I am not too fond of something as important to the game as adequate inventory space being handled in this manner, but I was getting the token anyway, as were most of the people arguing in favor of an end to the BAAAAWWWWWWing. It doesn't affect me as much as console players who have significantly less risk of being hacked, or the people who just want the token for the Satchel and will cancel its use once they have their in-game shiny, and if you fall into either of these categories, my condolences.

At least someone is getting the 'stop bitching' sentiments we are sending.

Take a lesson from him. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Otherwise stop fucking bitching. Jesus Christ, you people are the reason Advanced is turning into a joke.

[Shinta]

Cry the fuck more you worthless shit. Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. Stop bitching like a fucking child. I wish I could hate you to death.

The entire time he wasn't even talking about his own opinion, but rather attempting to explain the position of others. One clue is how he never talked about himself but kept referring to "people." I think the only thing he even said that was his own opinion was the very last line. You're a fucking idiot.

[Yugl]

Cry the fuck more you worthless shit. Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. Stop bitching like a fucking child. I wish I could hate you to death.



At least someone is getting the 'stop bitching' sentiments we are sending.

Take a lesson from him. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Otherwise stop fucking bitching. Jesus Christ, you people are the reason Advanced is turning into a joke.

Bitching about other people bitching. SURPRISE!

[Oulanbator]

But it's not really a money making scheme from SE, is it?
About half of the money of this is probably going to shipping. Then that will leave them with $5, give or take $1. How much does the thing cost to make? $3(probably more but well leave it at that). Leaving them with around $2 for each item. How much does it cost to set this system up all together and maintain? Does it really leave them with anything? Other than not having to deal with so "hacked" account?

The inventory space have "no cost" for SE.
Well, it does have a cost because there are people working on it, but we already pay a monthly fee for people to work and maintain the game, so the inventory slots should fall into this category.

I don't care about the security token. I would rather pay 2€ for the inventory slot, instead of buying the token to get more inventory slots.
Would have been smarter if they raised the price of the new expansion/scenario by 2€ and added the inventory slots in it, instead of forcing me to buy some shitty token that isn't even profitable.

Who benefits from this ? I don't, and according to you SE doesn't either. Conclusion: that's bullshit.

[Turbotwo]

APRIL FOOLS SE JUST FUCKED YALL!

Edit: Seriously...I can see it happening.

[TripleX]

The inventory space have "no cost" for SE.
Well, it does have a cost because there are people working on it, but we already pay a monthly fee for people to work and maintain the game, so the inventory slots should fall into this category.

I don't care about the security token. I would rather pay 2€ for the inventory slot, instead of buying the token to get more inventory slots.
Would have been smarter if they raised the price of the new expansion/scenario by 2€ and added the inventory slots in it, instead of forcing me to buy some shitty token that isn't even profitable.

Who benefits from this ? I don't, and accord to you SE doesn't either. Conclusion: that's bullshit.

The only thing it seem like SE gain from this is not having to deal with the majority of the getting "hacked" issue. Which is a win for both SE and the gamers I guess.

[Tempyst]

Cry the fuck more you worthless shit. Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. Stop bitching like a fucking child. I wish I could hate you to death.



At least someone is getting the 'stop bitching' sentiments we are sending.

Take a lesson from him. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Otherwise stop fucking bitching. Jesus Christ, you people are the reason Advanced is turning into a joke.

You

You are the worst poster in advanced

Hate to break it to you

[Kohan]

There are two different things: the security token and the inventory slots and to be honest, I don't give a damn about the security token. What I see is SE asking me to pay 10€ to raise my virtual inventory slots.

If you don't give a damn about the token, that's fine. However, you might want to step down from arguing about Square-Enix taking people for a ride. It's already been explained within this thread why they're not. If you're unhappy that you can't get the spaces without paying for them, that's all right too, but they're not ripping anyone off. It's doubtful they'll make a profit off these tokens anytime soon, if ever.

It isn't bullshit just because you don't like it.

[TripleX]

Here is the cost for the set up from another company:
Authenex ASAS - Authenex Strong Authentication System - AuthWorks.com
1000 users = $36,290.00
Need to know the number of Playonline accounts then we can have a good guess at how many people will get it and then figure out the costish.

SE probably has a deal so our guess won't be that close but the amount will probably still be up there.

PS. Again it doesn't seem like SE is making money off this, it seem more of an investment to not have to deal with "hacked" or stolen accounts.

PSS. Unless they got an unlimited users system set up for like 100k, they are losing a lot of money from this investment (after the cost of shipping, tax, and device).

[Kyten]

Why is this causing so much fuss?

[Issac]

Why is this causing so much fuss?

Because this is BG.

[evilpaul]

If you don't give a damn about the token, that's fine. However, you might want to step down from arguing about Square-Enix taking people for a ride. It's already been explained within this thread why they're not. If you're unhappy that you can't get the spaces without paying for them, that's all right too, but they're not ripping anyone off. It's doubtful they'll make a profit off these tokens anytime soon, if ever.

It isn't bullshit just because you don't like it.

Unless you've got SE's PNLs you're talking out your ass.

[Zumi]

For everyone that was like "SE BSed us about PS2 limitations they can add as much inventory as they want and make us pay for it." I am pretty sure that SE will do the satchel like this. They will add it under the view house menu. I photoshoped this pic to what SE will probably do. Its still only 160 items in memory like they always claimed. Its not like we get access to 160 items at anytime.

Spoiler: show

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238551688

[Ashira]

So has the value of mule accounts been discussed yet? I only keep one mule, and if I'm getting 80 more spaces at my convenience I might consider canceling even that single one. I'd imagine it's probably more likely people with several mules will be canceling one ore more of them.

Very late with this reply, but yes. I gave a small semi breakdown, and elphaba gave a more detailed example of how it will save her money.

[Colenzo]

Here is the cost for the set up from another company:
Authenex ASAS - Authenex Strong Authentication System - AuthWorks.com
1000 users = $36,290.00
Need to know the number of Playonline accounts then we can have a good guess at how many people will get it and then figure out the costish.

SE probably has a deal so our guess won't be that close but the amount will probably still be up there.

PS. Again it doesn't seem like SE is making money off this, it seem more of an investment to not have to deal with "hacked" or stolen accounts.

PSS. Unless they got an unlimited users system set up for like 100k, they are losing a lot of money from this investment (after the cost of shipping, tax, and device).

It might be helping them make money elsewhere, this may be why they had to package it with the inventory thing so that they could get more people to buy it so they could afford their security offer to the playerbase. I don't know how much SE has to pay their GMs to do account retreival and things of this sort. If this security thing goes off in a good way with everyone buying the thing like I'm pretty sure everything will, they will probably adjust the TOS again about account security so they can cut back money on their GMs and make more profit. /shrug lol