Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Eleven19]

I'm taking my picture in Fancy specs and Wedding ring.

[Darus Grey]

Unless there is MACC bonus on Tupsumati, by switching off Elemental Staves, you not only lose a slight amount of damage, but the +30 MACC as well (this value is debated around 20 to 30, but let's go with 30 here). So you may miss out on quite a bit from this, too. That's anywhere from -15% accuracy to -30% accuracy unless you're capped at 95% land rate (which for SCH is already questionable on anything outside merit targets).

As far as Enmity, the -50 enmity nuke build is pretty strong; however, it is already quite easy to get to -50 enmity without giving up that much damage (since you're using a lot of Mahatma). There is no doubt that using Tupsumati will free up some slots for damage gear instead of enmity down gear, but then you have to remember the gain in damage in the enmity down set also comes with that ~30 MACC loss.

There could be hidden effects on this or something else. At the very least, it's a great status symbol though, so congrats to the person who completed it still.

Also, isn't it obvious from the screenshot that the SCH is wearing standard idle gear? The only 'stand-out' piece of equipment there is the backpiece (not Umbra/Chev), but it's almost surely Shadow Mantle.

Are we considering the fact that the Aftermath gives MACC/MAB? That's the one factor I see missing(are the values even known?).

If the bonuses were like 20/20(which seems on the conservative side at 300tp), We'd end up with a weapon that is -20enmity, +30macc +40mab(or greater).

Well relying on Mage TP is lol, wouldn't that situationally make it the best weapon anytime you can use the aftermath?

[Kaeko]

Are we considering the fact that the Aftermath gives MACC/MAB? That's the one factor I see missing(are the values even known?).

If the bonuses were like 20/20(which seems on the conservative side at 300tp), We'd end up with a weapon that is -20enmity, +30macc +40mab(or greater).

Well relying on Mage TP is lol, wouldn't that situationally make it the best weapon anytime you can use the aftermath?

I have no clue what the aftermath effects are. But, like you said, you aren't going to find many "real" situations where getting the TP to pull off an aftermath is going to be worthwhile. For mage weapons, you unfortunately have to judge them almost strictly on their base stats and not the WS aftermaths

[Kirschy]

Are we considering the fact that the Aftermath gives MACC/MAB? That's the one factor I see missing(are the values even known?).

If the bonuses were like 20/20(which seems on the conservative side at 300tp), We'd end up with a weapon that is -20enmity, +30macc +40mab(or greater).

Well relying on Mage TP is lol, wouldn't that situationally make it the best weapon anytime you can use the aftermath?

TBH I haven't seen much talk on it. But if Mythic BLM or SCH follow the same pattern as Scythe you'd see:

100tp ~ 199tp = +10 ~ +19 Mg Acc
200tp ~ 299tp = +20 ~ +59 Mg Atk

Completely disregarding the fact that getting tp on a mage is a hinderance, it does seem to be kind of cool. Assuming you could get TP at will, it would appear you could trade acc for damage depending on the situation. (Possibly beating HQ staves in acc or attack.)

Unfortunately it just doesn't seem to work with our current playstyles that rely on efficiency. Would be nice to see some verification on the MAB+ during AM2 and it's duration~

[Grey Jorildyn]

I'm sure if Alahsiedra asks nicely Karasu will let her swing her stick at some antlions for extra Tiamat powah. She probably would without permission anyway, cuz she's cool like that.

[Afrohatch]

I hope this is town gear or something wrong...

But grats on the staff, i wait on infos about it and screen about perf.

From Alah:

It's her town gear.
And the only thing effected by weather is the -emnity. The MAB/acc/etc is constant.

Twats.

[Thunder]

300% Tupsimati at least sounds fun for tabula rasa!

[Miroku_Asura]

300% Tupsimati at least sounds fun for tabula rasa!

Forgive me if I'm missing something(see: sarcasm), but how? Whenever I TR, I focus on getting my Stratas and spells off as fast as I can so I am able to get as many in before the ability wears off.

[Naiya]

Who are you and why is your first post about Starr

Can't you read? It clearly has my character name to the left of my post, and why does it matter what my first post is about? they asked a question and i answered it for them.

[Gunitsoldier]

Being as I'm from Hades and I don't know you(I know everyone) I figured it was either a new person or somebody of no importance.

[Thunder]

Forgive me if I'm missing something(see: sarcasm), but how? Whenever I TR, I focus on getting my Stratas and spells off as fast as I can so I am able to get as many in before the ability wears off.

Didn't you just answer that on your own

Wasn't sarcastic; tup seems nice for a ~299%(Sorry, didn't mean to say AM3 for occasionally attacks twice) omniscience and spam nukes.

[Miroku_Asura]

Didn't you just answer that on your own

Wasn't sarcastic; tup seems nice for a ~299%(Sorry, didn't mean to say AM3 for occasionally attacks twice) omniscience and spam nukes.

Champion~ Thought I was going bonkers... yay posting replies at 3 am!

[Naiya]

Being as I'm from Hades and I don't know you(I know everyone) I figured it was either a new person or somebody of no importance.

You clearly don't know everybody then do you? You're very arrogant considering you used to post your shitty NQ gear on KI asking for gear choices.

[nitsuj]

I'm taking my picture in Fancy specs and Wedding ring.

Fishing Apron, Waders, Angler's Gloves, Angler's Hose and hopefully Rain Hat + Ebisu Rod.

Oh yeah, and my Nirvana.

[Kipling]

Cool story, Bro.

[Sho]

I have no clue what the aftermath effects are. But, like you said, you aren't going to find many "real" situations where getting the TP to pull off an aftermath is going to be worthwhile. For mage weapons, you unfortunately have to judge them almost strictly on their base stats and not the WS aftermaths

Shouldn't you like be able to bring wings with you for these special situations? That way she (and whoever else gets SCH and/or BLM) would get a small bonus? Or maybe nah because of the proposed 60~90 second aftermath?

[DAKPluto]

The SCH gets his own personal SAM!

[Kaeko]

Shouldn't you like be able to bring wings with you for these special situations? That way she (and whoever else gets SCH and/or BLM) would get a small bonus? Or maybe nah because of the proposed 60~90 second aftermath?

Wing puts you at 100, which is a MACC bonus right? So you'd still need to TP, opo-necklace, or a SAM to get you between 200-299 for MATT. Still, would be cool to know what the MAB+ is.

[nitsuj]

Cool story, Bro.

Who?

[Milkster]

You clearly don't know everybody then do you? You're very arrogant considering you used to post your shitty NQ gear on KI asking for gear choices.

Who?

I'm guessing