Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Kipling]

Do most WHM's not have a respose build? I was a whm before repose came out (And not anymore, lol) but wouldn't that... affect it?

[jimbobsonofgod]

Do most WHM's not have a respose build? I was a whm before repose came out (And not anymore, lol) but wouldn't that... affect it?

Yeah it helps but it is really accurate, you'd have to active Try to not get it to land lol.

[drwaffles]

Apollo's, Pluto's, Terra's, Auster's, Aquilo's and Templar or gtfo, honestly. Dryad optional for max MP and sexiness.

[drwaffles]

Yeah it helps but it is really accurate, you'd have to active Try to not get it to land lol.

Repose is exactly the same as Sleep II in terms of enmity and, it's therefore safe to assume, magic accuracy. You're talking crap - of course you need to actually gear correctly for it to land consistently on anything beyond exp mobs. You'd know that if you'd spent time playing WHM in endgame.

[Yugl]

Repose is exactly the same as Sleep II in terms of enmity and, it's therefore safe to assume, magic accuracy. You're talking crap - of course you need to actually gear correctly for it to land consistently on anything beyond exp mobs.

I've known Repose to be less resisted than Sleep II (Or any sleep spell for that matter). Not sure what you mean.

[Aksannyi]

How often to you cast Repose on anything other than trash mobs in Einherjar or Limbus or some shit? Don't think I've ever casted Repose on any kind of NM that matters. I don't think there's much basis for comparison there.

Sure I had a full Repose gear set but it's not like I was ever gonna cast it on Tiamat. If I was gonna sleep Tia I'd sub BLM and ES Sleep.

That said, it has its random resists the same as Sleep II does. As far as Macc goes, I don't know if it's ever been tested in any sort of relation to Sleep II or otherwise.

[Skjie]

Repose is exactly the same as Sleep II in terms of enmity and, it's therefore safe to assume, magic accuracy. You're talking crap - of course you need to actually gear correctly for it to land consistently on anything beyond exp mobs. You'd know that if you'd spent time playing WHM in endgame.

Repose has much higher macc than sleep. Also, while Jimbob doesn't play WHM much these days, he's been doing end game for probably longer than you have.

[drwaffles]

Sleep II is already very accurate on pretty much anything that isn't dark-based, naturally resistant to Sleep or has the Resist Sleep job trait, so I don't see how anyone could say they think Repose is more accurate from their personal experience. Maybe it's simply because most people with access to both spells tend to cast Sleep a lot more often than they cast Repose, hence they see more resists over time. I personally never noticed a difference in accuracy, but then again my Enfeebling gear for RDM and BLM and my Divine gear for WHM was rather solid. I certainly saw Repose get resisted a few times when I went WHM to Einherjar and Dynamis, though of course that could be explained by the double dark weather.

[drwaffles]

Repose has much higher macc than sleep.

Based on what data?

Also, while Jimbob doesn't play WHM much these days, he's been doing end game for probably longer than you have.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Whilst I'm not going to be baited into some third-party pissing contest, it sure does seem that you love to make unsubstantiated claims.

[Aksannyi]

Sleep II is already very accurate on pretty much anything that isn't dark-based, naturally resistant to Sleep or has the Resist Sleep job trait, so I don't see how anyone could say they think Repose is more accurate from their personal experience. Maybe it's simply because most people with access to both spells tend to cast Sleep a lot more often than they cast Repose, hence they see more resists over time. I personally never noticed a difference in accuracy, but then again my Enfeebling gear for RDM and BLM and my Divine gear for WHM was rather solid. I certainly saw Repose get resisted a few times when I went WHM to Einherjar and Dynamis, though of course that could be explained by the double dark weather.

Pretty much this. I've seen some random resists on Repose but hell, it's not like my main duty as a WHM was to sleep shit, ohi we have BLMs and RDMs for that.

[Skjie]

Based on what data?

Same data you're basing your claims on

[drwaffles]

My claims make logical sense; you're claiming that one spell has "much higher magic accuracy" than another one that's 95% accurate on most things. Also consider that Repose is essentially a copypaste of Sleep II with a different name, different related skill, opposite elemental affinity and 3 less MP cost.

[Skjie]

Sleep II certainly isn't 95% accurate without gear to back it up. Trying to draw conclusions between to random spells added at different times to different jobs with different skills is just as silly as relying on anecdotal reports from friends.

[drwaffles]

Sleep II certainly isn't 95% accurate without gear to back it up.

Duh? Are you saying that Repose is? Does that mean that you were silly enough to go around casting Repose on stuff that matters without bothering to equip appropriate gear? If so, and if you can provide evidence, then props to you for discovering something by not gearing yourself to an acceptable standard.

Trying to draw conclusions between to random spells added at different times to different jobs with different skills is just as silly as relying on anecdotal reports from friends.

Hm, two spells with similar casting time/recasts that both, when landed unresisted, put a mob under the Sleep status effect for exactly 90 seconds are obviously "random" and unrelated. So done discussing this, you're obviously the type of poster that's inevitably going to want to make me kill myself.

[Thunder]

Sure I had a full Repose gear set but it's not like I was ever gonna cast it on Tiamat. If I was gonna sleep Tia I'd sub BLM and ES Sleep.

Repose lasts longer than sleep 1.

[Skjie]

So done discussing this, you're obviously the type of poster that's inevitably going to want to make me kill myself.

What? All I'm saying is without a real data set your assumptions are just as valid as my anecdotes. I'm certainly not saying that I'm right, just that neither of us have data to prove our point either way.

[jimbobsonofgod]

In an attempt to rerail this Derail.

Let me light the Kaeko Signal in the hopes that he can start a thread proving that repose is more accurate then sleep II.

Until then how about we just call it a draw?

[Hyriu]

Sure I had a full Repose gear set but it's not like I was ever gonna cast it on Tiamat. If I was gonna sleep Tia I'd sub BLM and ES Repose.

ftfy

[BadKarma]

ftfy

Ive casted Repose on Tiamat etc before, its basically sleep ii with a dumbass animation

[Arthars]

i didnt know repose is a relic guys