Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[dejet]

hahaha yar yar - my guess was on 1 HP survive. Not being weak is pretty sneaky and unexpected. Finally someone finished it tho. Was unsure about other people working on it because ya... it´s not a hugh improvement or anything - I was just doing it because I had nothing else to achieve in the game. The mystery is lifted and I can rest in peace !


Nagi AM3 is the worst and the best AM3 at same time:

- It´s the best because NIN is the job that has the most % in DOT damage compared to WS damage. So DAing will raise your total damage the most.

- It´s the worst because you are bound to Dualwield it and lose half of your potential DAs.

Finding out how Nagi/Kikoku compares to Nagi/Perdu and Kikoku/Perdu will take a long time. Perdu offhand has the backdraw that when you work for AM3 it will have a lot less damage and no ACC/ATK bonus on it working 100+ TP. Kikoku will be nude 210 delay 42 damage also.



For what it´s worth. Nagi always has the 10 enmity on it. If you build something like....


Enmity:

Nagi +10
Offhand Katana +2
Shurikane +2
Ritter Gorget +3
Eris Earring+1x2 +6
APC Body +5
Sattva Ring +3
Merman Ring +2
Cerberus+1 +4
Usukane Feet +5


Haste:

Turban 5%
Dusk+1 4%
S/V-belt or Sash 6%
Haidate 5%
Usukane feet 2%

APC Body 5% Fastcast


Thats 22% Haste, 5% Fastcast right there, all with +42 Enmity on top from gear. That´s a whole lot of enmity to pull hate as NIN/DRK.

that poor poor co tank. you co tanking with a mytic whm or a rdm that has perma CS? lol
if anything that 10 enmity would let you put other stuff in slots. no reason to have that much enmity. id drop the two earrings right away from that set up. and i would prob hit up more hp gear depending on the fight.

once you at hate cap theres no need to enmity at all really outside what 20 seemed to recap hate with one spell after the decay was it?

my rdm has around 23 and i find little need to add anymore(hell i can bounce hate np all fight long with my co tank)

[Lyramion]

that poor poor co tank. you co tanking with a mytic whm or a rdm that has perma CS? lol
if anything that 10 enmity would let you put other stuff in slots. no reason to have that much enmity. id drop the two earrings right away from that set up. and i would prob hit up more hp gear depending on the fight.

once you at hate cap theres no need to enmity at all really outside what 20 seemed to recap hate with one spell after the decay was it?

Depends in which world you live with your LS. A "sane" setup for me includes Terrastaff and Arhats Body and more HP to have a lower risk of getting shot down.

BUT I more than once lived through HNM fights (Khim, Tiamat, Lambton Worm,etc ) that were trained and supported so well that the tanks would basically just do an e-penis tanking war to keep themself entertained. That´s the setup you want for that right there.

[wonderlust]

Can you be Tractored then Raised without succumbing to weakness?

yes ^_^v

[BerenTebogo]

I think MNK wins the %damage from melee vs. WS, but both suffer from the DA not effecting off hand.

And other than a nice emnity boost, /sigh at SE fucking another Mythic up.

Upgrade Kikoku then we'll talk. Not even Spharhai does what Kikoku does for NIN DPS.

[Kirschy]

Grats on Nagi~ I gotta admit though, the enhance on Mijin made me laugh -_-

[Kipling]

Upgrade Kikoku then we'll talk. Not even Spharhai does what Kikoku does for NIN DPS.

I think he means Nagi VS. Glanzfaust no?

[Guitarman]

Grats dill!

[Hogie]

Is everyone missing the fact that it looks like a fucking hatchet!!!! THATS FUCKING BAD ASS!

[nitsuj]

Noob question, but I see someone mention nosepick/relic combo.

Do you get ANY of the stats from the relic if you off hand it? I would assume you got stats but not aftermath effects, as you would any other weapon but I remember reading someplace that this isn't the case. I find it weird that stats like "Enmity +10" would just "vanish" when being in the offhand.

Forgive me for not being rich enough to own both and test it myself

[Lyramion]

Noob question, but I see someone mention nosepick/relic combo.

Do you get ANY of the stats from the relic if you off hand it? I would assume you got stats but not aftermath effects, as you would any other weapon but I remember reading someplace that this isn't the case. I find it weird that stats like "Enmity +10" would just "vanish" when being in the offhand.

Forgive me for not being rich enough to own both and test it myself

It´s been well known and also said by SE in their update notes that offhand relic/mystics will ONLY have DELAY and DAMAGE - rest is stripped ! No 20 atk, no enmity, no nothing, nothing !

[Ultimagi]

That penalty shouldn't apply to Ninja, since it is the Dual Wield job. But Square-Enix fails, what else is new?

[Malacite]

It's a Kusari btw... (sickle)

would have been infinitely cooler if it was a Kusari-gama (sickle & weighted chain, an actual ninja weapon that really existed) but I doubt SE wanted to the trouble of making a H2H-like weapon for NIN.

Sucks balls too that you can't effectively DW both Kikoku and Nagi because of the DW Mythic/Relic nerf a while back.

Are ppl just kidding about the raise thing or has that actually been confirmed? If it's true that's pretty cool but... that actually makes this thing officially worse than Glanfaust >_> (Kikoku would be a much better investment) though if you're a pimped out Ninja with nothing else to get you might as well.

[Flight_93]

I expected more from you BG, is the Lyrasath combo keeping the sand at bay? Not near enough NIN hater-ade in this thread!!

First off, huge-like-xbox thanks to my LS for saving tags, re-doing shit assaults, and forking over their precious duped Alex the past few months.

(I'm sure Lyra would've beat me to the donkey punch on this one- was sad to see that LM hit you btw. http://tarusodelicious.com/phpBB3/im.../icon_gonk.gif )

That said, I probably still would've upgraded.

We were in the same boat gear-wise, and this has always been the job I've had the most fun with. That's not to say I don't still have a small wish list for NIN, but it's largely 'complete' after wrapping up this bs quest.

As for Arthars' "Nagi-Findings" I'll spare you a new thread and just sum it up quick:

• Follows the standard Augment tiering.

• Enmity and MACC do not appear to work in off-hand.

• Mijin Gakure enhancement allows unweakened reraise, regardless of zoning/tractor.

• DA does appear to proc during WS from initial tests. I presume this only applies to main hand, and obviously only under AM3.

Grats on Nagi~ I gotta admit though, the enhance on Mijin made me laugh -_-

I think we all laughed on vent upon seeing this "Augment."

Although, after playing around with it, I do see some utility (as Firas hinted at.)

Basically there's no other mechanic that allows you to wipe yourself from a mob/mob's hate list while remaining in-zone and unweak. Still obviously very situational in it's use, but here's a few initial thoughts:

• Small man situations where wipe is inevitable, you could position for reraise and have an unweak tank ready to re-pull instantly.

• Post-roar Tia-chan; I'll pop this, get up, and continue re-establishing hate (assisted by the extra enmity no less.)

• Hell, even wiping yourself from the hate list on a mob approaching SSJ (if you're on Shiva you know this shit happens too often..)

Again, hardly the epitome of game-breaking. But in the world of SE, you're gonna either enjoy your fringe benefits and your fucking 80 inventory keychain, or you can go back to your Aeon and yer Disney-skinned WoW.

For me, it's a fun toy with an interesting option for "ohshi" situations that I'll gladly take over +3 absorb or 5% zerk.. (<3 Kirsch http://tarusodelicious.com/phpBB3/im...on_domokun.gif )

I'll leave you with a few last bits:

I noticed a regain effect in the Balrahn BC I hadn't seen mentioned before. Curious if Kirschy or anyone else had this?

Also, upon mijin, recast had an "Unknown ID" listed, perhaps this is the effect that prevents weakness. I didn't pay attention to the timer, but I know after taking the ARB, it was removed from the ID list.. so perhaps there's a time limit for reraise under this special status.

Any other tests people can think of lemme know.

Lastly, for those asking, no, I'm not a wardrobe'd taru.. all that STR is 100% legit, "SON." http://tarusodelicious.com/phpBB3/im...n_stressed.gif

[nitsuj]

Grats dude! Quite the accomplishment, and the NIN is quite pimped!

[Kirschy]

I didn't notice a regain effect... I'd like to think I would have noticed /w how slow scythe swings... but I probably just missed it :/.

I'm looking foward to hearing your experiences with the weapon, considering you're a relic + mythic holder~

I think there should be a poll for most medicore/useless mythic augment/enhance.

[Neosutra]

I always wonder what goes through people's head when they say "well I already have everything else for this job and I have money to blow".

You guys know there are 19 other jobs right?

Why be diverse and take other jobs to the max when you can spend the same amount of gil getting items that little to no use to your main job, due to gear you already have Q.Q.

Not hating on anyone, just cant get inside the head of lyra/flight_93, etc.

I couldnt imaging playing this game where I only cared about one job, and thats coming from someone that -loves- pld.

Oh, and lolnin Q.Q

[Izzy]

• DA does appear to proc during WS from initial tests. I presume this only applies to main hand, and obviously only under AM3.

You did make sure not to /WAR or Brutal Earring during this test right? lol

[Kirschy]

Yea I can confirm, Izzy. I haven't had the time to get a large sample size, but from merits/random events I can attest to the DA proc on WS. It appears to only work on the first hit though, because if it was able to proc on all hits, I'd see way more 5-hit insurgency. I have a strong feeling the DA can't proc on the initial 300 TP WS, but I'll know for sure when I get the time to test it.

[Whaleporn]

I always wonder what goes through people's head when they say "well I already have everything else for this job and I have money to blow".

"Hey look im the first person EVER to get this gear."

Gee that was tough figuring that out... *massages temples, moans* ohhhhhhhh I'm going to go have an ice tea.

[Neosutra]

"Hey look im the first person EVER to get this gear."

Gee that was tough figuring that out... I'm going to go have an ice tea.

That novelty wears off pretty fast.

Having something usefull doesnt.

That's like spending 100mil on a Cerb Ring+1. "Wow Im the only person that has one!".