Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Thorny]

So should i understand you mean AuraStatue actually not "hard" enough ?

Yes, I mean if you're at timmy or jol or some other higher-end mob for TH and actually want to contribute damage, you're going to want an X's knife. In practicality, aura statues and dynamis are the main situations where you'd want mandau/blau and the bigger end mobs you TH bitch for you'd want mandau/x's. Talking about optimizing THf for merits is silly, as THF doesn't belong in merits in the first place.

[Masamune]

Ok so that whole convo was just actually a misunderstanding between situations where to use or not X over blau lol ?

To summarize if i understood correctly:
- meripo, solo, dyna-type events /nin: /blau;
- HNMs where you go /war, main hand TK or Mandau doing mostly only TAs and SAs.

so that leave only a very few HNMs (which?) where you'd go /nin with Mandau/X ?

I smell that would open another convo between /war Mandau alone, and /nin mandau/X on HNMs XD

btw i'm interested how Leroy get base damage values posted, i get 41 for Mandau, 35 for Blau and 36 for X.

[BerenTebogo]

Oh lawdy look what I dun gon 'n did.

[Leroy]

I got the base damage values I did because the mobs I was using gave me a 0 in fSTR as a Mithra THF/NIN and in the listed tp gear.

((76-77)+4)/4 = 0.75 floored to 0.

[Masamune]

mmmm k , i assumed mithra merited 5 str to wield a Mandau, so fSTR=2.

[Hemorabe]

Ok, so I'm gonna go with a Blusterer's stats (346def/77vit/lvl83) because I know them off the top of my head, and it'll simplify things with a 0fSTR.

Mithra THF/NIN, Haste, March x2, Minuet x2, Pizza, and 20% haste in gear.

Mandau
Offhand
Bomblet
W.Turban
Love Torque
Suppa
Brutal
Mirke(10acc/3%DW augments)
Dusk+1
Toreador's
Rajas
Cuchulain's
Speed Belt
Skadi legs
Homam feet.

Going to ignore ACC, it'd be capped on this particular mob anyway iirc.


Mandau/Blau: 555atk/346 - 0.400 = 1.204

Delay: ((176+178)*0.77)*0.45 = 122



Mandau/X's: 539atk/346 - 0.400 = 1.157

Delay: ((176+201)*0.77)*0.45 = 130



For tping, we'll use the delay of 1000 X's rounds.

Mandau/Blau: 1065 rounds

Mandau/X's: 1000 rounds



Figure out the number of swings with 5% DA and 10% TA (counting DA first)

Mandau/Blau: 2640 (1320 each hand)

Mandau/X's: 2480 (1240 each hand)


We'll go with a 50% crit rate, all I've heard about Mandau aftermath is that it gives +25% crit rate so I'll go with 50% total to be safe. Feel free to let me know the real aftermath effect if it's off. Also, going with a 5% activation rate on triple damage proc. Trying to be simple.

Mandau/Blau:

Mandau:
(39*1.204)*627 = 28842
((39*1.204)*3)*33 = 4185
(39*2.204)*627 = 53295
((39*2.204)*3)*33 = 8415
Blau:
(33*1.204)*660 = 25740
(33*2.204)*660 = 47520
Total:
168366


Mandau/X's:

Mandau:
(39*1.157)*589 = 26505
((39*1.157)*3)*31 = 4185
(39*2.157*1.1)*589 = 54188
((39*2.157*1.1)*3)*31 = 8556
X's:
(34*1.157)*620 = 24180
(34*2.157*1.1)*620 = 49600
Total:
167214


Now, I know this is a very small difference, but to be safe I was figuring on 50% crit rate, which I doubt it is, and it was still outdone.

As for WSs, Blau offhand does about 6.5% more WSs over time than X's (Even more if ACC isn't capped), and please note that X's does not boost MS by a static 10%, this is because MS is a 2hit WS when dual wielding and the second hit, and any after, does not get a 10% bonus on it as it cannot crit. You're also not going to SA/TA every single MS because of your TP rate and timers syncing up.

I'd go into more detail about the WSs or go back and actually remember to put in the .95 hit rate cap in (Shouldn't matter too much), but my fucking wife just woke up and hit me for still being in here.

Edit: I know X's is better for HNM, I admit that, but for those types, I still say /WAR is the better option, and am comparing them on merit mobs tougher than lolibri.

I agree with everything Jenkins has said minus the part about MSing without timers up. A THF let alone a Mandau THF should know to split up SA/TA and very rarely will your timers be down unless you get a good DA/TA round and then its about a 3-5 second wait and that only happens on something with capped or close to capped ACC.

Know I'm jumping in on this late but you are correct in thinking /WAR would be good for HNM style mobs. In my trials /NIN smoked Cerb/Khim and most other semi-squishy HNM but for other HNM with higher DEF /WAR would definitely put out better numbers.

As far as MS's Aftermath I don't believe it was a 25% bonus... At least it never appeared that way I would more likely say 15%. I'll try to dig up some old parses(GoGo quitted FFXI!)

[Mythe_Seraph]

Talking about optimizing THf for merits is silly, as THF doesn't belong in merits in the first place.

Meh. I wouldn't totally agree with this to be honest. I guarantee I have had better meripo PT's on THF with two other non-relic DD on birds (100% open camp), than most people have with 3 relic DD's in the same scenario. I may not have parsed much higher, or lower, than these other DD, but a THF in a meripo can add stable, consistant damage. Having a DD that will not often get feather tickled helps, as THF will most likely have the highest WS DMG average. Also, if a THF is able to do this at the beginning of a fight, they will be the one to eat whatever WS the bird throws afterwards. I don't think a THF belongs in a mamool meripo, but I also know mamool meripo isn't as good as an open bird camp. I am pretty sure this is fairly common knowledge after having this arguement on another thread like 10 months ago.

Edit: I know, I don't have any numbers to support the statement, I just disagree that a THF doesn't belong in any meripo.

[Dramafinderftw]

Meh. I wouldn't totally agree with this to be honest. I guarantee I have had better meripo PT's on THF with two other non-relic DD on birds (100% open camp), than most people have with 3 relic DD's in the same scenario. I may not have parsed much higher, or lower, than these other DD, but a THF in a meripo can add stable, consistant damage. Having a DD that will not often get feather tickled helps, as THF will most likely have the highest WS DMG average. Also, if a THF is able to do this at the beginning of a fight, they will be the one to eat whatever WS the bird throws afterwards. I don't think a THF belongs in a mamool meripo, but I also know mamool meripo isn't as good as an open bird camp. I am pretty sure this is fairly common knowledge after having this arguement on another thread like 10 months ago.

Edit: I know, I don't have any numbers to support the statement, I just disagree that a THF doesn't belong in any meripo.

Did you quit?

[tonystigma]

Bird camp. aka "take the damn THF" camp.

[Leroy]

Don't you mean "aka take the DRG camp"?

In all seriousness, THF is decent for merits, and gearing for merits is like gearing for Dynamis, Limbus, Sky/Sea farming, Einherjar, etc., all of which are places you want at least one thf for TH4 or Feint.

[Beave]

Jesus, this is still a debate about THF. So much for relics...

[Mythe_Seraph]

Did you quit?

Yeah, I don't know if I will be back.

And "take the damn THF" isn't really what it comes down to when you only merrit within your LS.

[Mirax]

I thought this X's / Blau offhand had been done like 30 times, with blau comming out the winner in almost every arguement. Only in the time frame of like 2 months where x's was thought to have a static .3 pdif increase did it come out the winner of these debates. That being said the ole saying "shit is situational" applies, X's just has a limited number of situations in where it would be useful.

I wish people would start debating and mathing out the numbers for how long is it acceptable to sit on timers to use an SA Mercy instead of an Evisceration. 5Seconds, 6 Seconds? That debate his not for this thread however.

[chiyio]

Blau wins out to those who are too lazy to get X's.

[Faris]

Vajra Harigane, SUCK subjob. posting this in gimp players too.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...port/vajra.jpg

[Dramafinderftw]

Hasnt that already been posted?

[Demosthenes11]

old

[Demonic]

Vajra Harigane, SUCK subjob. posting this in gimp players too.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...port/vajra.jpg

What shield is Albride using? >_>

[Kyte]

Either a Tariqah or Muse Tariqah I think

[Aksannyi]

You're looking at the wrong character model.