Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[evilpaul]

Honestly though, I don't think most people will care.

Not everyone goes for a relic weapon, as long as they can lot their jobs relic, I'm sure they really dont care who is getting the currency.

There's LSes where the coins are sold and people are paid in gil based on their attendance. That would certainly seem more equitable than the Leader or whoever getting uber cheap currency for his relic or selling it and making an assload of gil.

That said, I've done Dynamis for a few years and never joined such a shell. I'm one of those people that really doesn't give a shit since I'm getting some shinies I don't need to do additional work for.

Also, more relic pics prz!

[Sho]

I don't think its as clear cut as wopa is laying it out. In both of his "ways to get relics" assuming that your ls at the very least gets you fragment and paper, you're still going to in some way get assistance from others, for free. Unless you buy the frag/paper but even then your friends are still going to be there, and i think its more likely they will be helping you out, be it with helping you find currency deals or selling it to you at a discount, than not. Nobody pays for 100% of their relic at the full currency values, at least not anyone who has friends and isn't a total loser.

I think there are varying degrees in which you can fund your relic by both sponsoring your ls runs and buying the currency yourself, and they don't need to take years. I think its fine if you put in more than what your LS puts in and that you can show them you are taking the initiative to further your progress on your own rather than just relying on sponsorship currency or inner-shell deals. Wopa, you leave little room for these varying degrees. I don't think somone who is soley relying on sponsorship currency is the same as someone who sponsors but also purchases more than they are provided with from said sponsorship.

sorry to derail, time for more pics

All wopa is doing is saying that there is a clear way to fund a relic 100% by your own means - that is - paying for everything out of pocket (including the fragment and paper) from a mercenary-like LS. The only item that would come close is the blank state weapon, which is a random drop anyways, making it moot.

Anything less is requiring help from 'friends' or a friendly LS, making the weapon not 100% yours by any means.

Sorry as well. >.>

[Nevex]

I'm all for a shell helping out a dedicated member with a relic. Yes, you earned it, nobody is trying to say otherwise. We're just saying that the currency has a value, no matter how you earn it, and you can't claim you did a good job BECAUSE you didn't spend gil on it. You either spent your friend's gil (them selling it cheap/donating) or your linkshell's gil (buying currency for you)

If you're a dedicated member of a LS, and said LS pays for your relic, it's wrong to say that you're spending their gil. The very fact that you attend events and make your part to make them successful has its value, even though it's not measured in gil.
If you manage to solo hold Cerberus/Tiamat/whatever so your LS can come and kill it while a competing linkshell is watching, that action has its value, even though it's impossible to accurately say how much it is. It's not all black and white.
I obtained my mythic both via LS sponsorship and personal funding, and I can say that I did work my ass off to get it (going to most events etc.). While I don't feel any particular "pride" in it (it's just a virtual item after all), I understand if someone in my place would feel something like that.

By the way, I don't see the problem with fragments/attestation helping for LS mates and friends.
I'd rather do a different dynamis NM every now and then instead of the usual, boring, farming route.
Yes I know that it's less currency/gil/AFs, but I don't care really. Others may feel different though.
Isn't it the same when you help friends farming Salvage card NMs to get their 15 anyway? Especially in Zhayolm Remnants.

[FailureMidgard]

If you're a dedicated member of a LS, and said LS pays for your relic, it's wrong to say that you're spending their gil. The very fact that you attend events and make your part to make them successful has its value, even though it's not measured in gil.
If you manage to solo hold Cerberus so your LS can come and kill it while a competing linkshell is watching, that action has its value, even though it's impossible to accurately say how much it is. It's not all black and white.
I obtained my mythic via LS sponsorship and personal funding, and I can say that I did work my ass off to get it (going to most events etc.).

By the way, I don't see the problem with fragments/attestation helping for LS mates and friends.
I'd rather do a different dynamis NM every now and then the usual, boring, farming route.
Yes I know that it's less currency/gil/AFs, but I don't care really. Others may feel different though.
Isn't it the same when you help friends farming Salvage card NMs to get their 15 anyway? Especially on Zhayolm Remnants.

Nobody is saying that just because a LS helps out, you didn't work for it. Presumably, an LS only funds a relic for a member that 'deserves' it. Furthermore, I'd say most LSes that fund a relic don't let the member lot other shit for a while because of it. This is perfectly fine, but it's flat out stupid to say someone shouldn't be proud of doing their own relic fully, and it's also flat out stupid to be extra proud of the fact that you spent less gil on it. Maybe you can be proud of not RMTing gil for it, or something to that effect, but that's different.
I think any shell should gladly get an attestation/fragment for any member that is funding their own relic, and I'm perfectly fine with shells that assist with relic funding, but I think it's silly and delusional to try to play it off as some accomplishment because you had to spend less gil. The relic is being paid for, perhaps you put the time in and your "points" in the shell say you deserve it, but it's still has the exact same cost, be it opportunity cost, shell cost, etc, regardless how you make it.

[Tsuko_Asura]

This feels awfully reminiscent of the, "what do you mean you don't have perfect gear before getting a relic?!" bullshit that seems to pop up every now and then. These are all such easily understandable concepts, yet people manage to completely mangle them.

[thunderlips]

And I'm fine with that. I'm more interested in getting info/tips on the BCNM fight so I don't lose the damn ZNM trophies, in particular as to whether or not I have to get TP for taunts by shooting only for the TP or if I can get away with using joy toy.

I've read up on the fight itself and this is quoted from wiki: Defeat Balrahn by reaching Level 3 Aftermath. The player must wield their Mythic Weapon during the fight in order to achieve this.

I'd like to assume that ranged weapons are the exception for getting TP with the locked Mythic. So let me know how the fight goes Azn! And grats! I'm gettin there!

I would love to get some info on this fight as well, but I was planning to try it as a cor/sam and just bullet spam and abuse meditate + random deal to get cheap tp.

[Onorgul]

The fuck are you people going on about? This is a cooperative game and we're a social species. There is no way whatsoever to do anything without the assistance of others, whether it is voluntary, coerced, or manipulated out of them. Even just confining this retarded argument to FFXI, there's no way to complete a relic weapon without having mutually relied on others to level up, relied on others to disseminate information, relied on others to win fights, etc. There's no conceivable way that a person could walk into FFXI a complete blank slate, never interact with another player, make ~200 million gil, and acquire a relic weapon entirely figuring out HOW to get one (or, hell, that they even exist) solo. Let's cut the bullshit. Part of being human is recognizing that sometimes you're going to help others and you might not even get a proper return on your investment, but there's similarly no guarantee that you won't make back your time and time-money spent from whomever. I have no doubts that Xanthe has assisted his friends with various tasks over the past two years at which he spent time and gil for no immediate reward. That you guys can even seriously suggest that friendship is an abusive, toxic, and exploitative relationship says everything one would want to know about your personal lives. Get the fuck off the internet and go interact with offline human beings again; your brains need a hard reboot.

[wop]

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[Kirschy]

The Mythic fight is increadibly easy. It's near impossible to lose unless you don't know what you're doing at all. I messed up in my fight, and had to mess around until I could figure out what I did wrong, and I didn't come close to losing.

To give a re-cap on the fight:

First part is against a Hydra. Don't bother saving your TP as it appears WS knock heads off. 3 WS will cause the Hydra to depop and Balrahn will appear. The Hydra is weak and hits fairly slow.

When the Hydra depops you can rest a bit away before engaging Balrahn.

Using each Aftermath once on Balrahn wins the battle. Let Balrahn finish his initial taunts before starting your WS, or it might not register correctly. (This was my mistake.) Since AM2 overwrites AM1, and AM3 overwrites AM2, the best solution is go from AM1->AM2->AM3. If you happen to miss one, like I did, just wait until the AM effect wears. (You can also remove the weapon, and then re-equip it.) You'll know your AM was registered if you gives you a taunt after.

Balrahn is very weak. He hits for a low amount, and uses random WS which do slightly more damage.

To give you an example of how weak he is, I went through my log file:

[00:06:26]Kirschy hits Balrahn for 16 points of damage.
[00:06:27]Balrahn : Quite the accomplishment.
[00:06:27]Never would I have expected you to surpass Zahak.
[00:06:27]Balrahn : I must confess, your persistence has piqued my interest...
[00:06:27]Balrahn : Hmph, so be it. Let us see if you are truly worthy of what it is you seek.
[00:06:27]A trial by battle you have earned. Your judgement shall be levied by mine own hand!
[00:06:33]Balrahn hits Kirschy for 33 points of damage.
[00:06:34]Kirschy hits Balrahn for 81 points of damage.

[00:07:05]Balrahn uses Insurgency.
[00:07:05]Kirschy takes 188 points of damage.

[00:07:39]Kirschy readies Insurgency.
[00:07:39]Balrahn hits Kirschy for 48 points of damage.
[00:07:39]Balrahn : You feel it, do you not Kirschy? The quickening of the blood, the life bubbling up within you...
[00:07:39]That is the Aftermath! Surrender to it, and know the true power of mine arm!

[00:08:14]Balrahn hits Kirschy for 33 points of damage.

[00:08:46]Balrahn hits Kirschy for 32 points of damage.

[00:09:12]Balrahn hits Kirschy for 32 points of damage.

[00:09:16]Kirschy readies Insurgency.
[00:09:16]Balrahn : So, you think you understand now, do you? Foolish upstart!
[00:09:16]You still have no grasp of what lies in your hands.

[00:11:16]Kirschy's Aftermath: Lv.3 effect wears off.
[00:11:20]Kirschy readies Insurgency.
[00:11:20]Balrahn : Hmph, I see your spirit is true. You have tasted the Aftermath and shall not soon forget it.
[00:11:20]Bathe yourself in its might, and let the myth of Kirschy begin.
[00:11:24]Kirschy hits Balrahn for 105 points of damage.
[00:11:25]Kirschy uses Insurgency.
[00:11:25]Balrahn takes 229 points of damage.

Since my first AM1 didn't register, I did AM2->AM3->AM1. Was a ~5min battle against just Balrahn, and I didn't come close to dying.

The Hydra hits for the same amount, but Trembling did double digits and Barofield was 238. Since you can heal afterwards, it's not a big deal.

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The fight is 100% fun and 0% a test of your skill. Enjoy it for all it's worth!!

[thunderlips]

Thanks a lot for posting that.

[Unspeakable]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...2/walltext.jpg

I ROFL'd SO FUCKING HARD AHAHAHHAHAHA

[Miraun]

The Mythic fight is increadibly easy.

Thanks for the info Kirschy... I just hope a single avatar can tank Zahak and Balrahn long enough for the 3 aftermaths!

[FailureMidgard]

The fuck are you people going on about? This is a cooperative game and we're a social species. There is no way whatsoever to do anything without the assistance of others, whether it is voluntary, coerced, or manipulated out of them. Even just confining this retarded argument to FFXI, there's no way to complete a relic weapon without having mutually relied on others to level up, relied on others to disseminate information, relied on others to win fights, etc. There's no conceivable way that a person could walk into FFXI a complete blank slate, never interact with another player, make ~200 million gil, and acquire a relic weapon entirely figuring out HOW to get one (or, hell, that they even exist) solo. Let's cut the bullshit. Part of being human is recognizing that sometimes you're going to help others and you might not even get a proper return on your investment, but there's similarly no guarantee that you won't make back your time and time-money spent from whomever. I have no doubts that Xanthe has assisted his friends with various tasks over the past two years at which he spent time and gil for no immediate reward. That you guys can even seriously suggest that friendship is an abusive, toxic, and exploitative relationship says everything one would want to know about your personal lives. Get the fuck off the internet and go interact with offline human beings again; your brains need a hard reboot.

Are you really this fucking stupid? We're all aware that we rely on other people in some form or another. We've all probably helped plenty of people with random things for no reward, just to help out. We've all been helped in the same fashion as well. But there is -NO WAY- you can seriously try to make that analogy to having friends help farm/discount 150million gil worth of crap for you. Maybe someone coming and helping ENM and letting someone keep a Hagun, we can call that someone genuinely just getting a little help from a friend. A 150million gil relic is in no way, shape, or form the same. Get the fuck off the internet and go interact with offline human beings again; your brain needs a hard reboot.

It's like you're comparing a friend giving you a dollar for a soda to you living in your friends house, eating your friends food, and taking out your girlfriend on your friend's credit card. There's a huge difference between the 2, and being a friend and helping them out with random shit they need makes 1 justified, but leaves you as a huge leech in the other. lolRLanalogy/etc, but it's pretty fucking close to accurate.

[Miraun]

I don't think that's how you do a hard reboot...

[Sho]

Onorgul, man what the hell? Do you like listening to yourself ramble? lol

[TheTaru]

Onorgul, man what the hell? Do you like listening to yourself ramble? lol

He's Pathwriter from KI, if that answers your question.

Can't wait on Death Penalty info, really curious as to what it'll do.

[Gtype954]

He's Pathwriter from KI, if that answers your question.

Can't wait on Death Penalty info, really curious as to what it'll do.

2nd that. How much damage does the Quickdraw increase by on the death penalty.

someone on my server had that gun for over 6 months and never got the tinnin fang... and my post got deleted... Cause I trolled how that person couldn't get a tinnin fang for 6 months and is "lol".
Wasn't the same person with the death penalty in that pic anyways.

So, post some results on death penalty like the increased accuracy and damage percentage and Congrats on DP.

[Titanss]

needs more arguments on how to fund relics

fuck outside help it is possible to solo

[nitsuj]

Thanks for the info Kirschy... I just hope a single avatar can tank Zahak and Balrahn long enough for the 3 aftermaths!

Well if he doesn't hit *that* hard, SMN could just wear HP/Def gear? >.>

You upgrading Nirvana too?

[Beave]

Incredibly disappointed that Death Penalty posted earlier has not been finished and reposted.