Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Carrilei]

What "COR DD" are you referencing? Because if you're going to go by a generic term like that, Martial is the best gun. Clearly QD only is Death Penalty, but that's going to be a minority of situations.

[Deader2818]

DP is going to be the best QD gun and best DMG gun when you arent meleeing for TP. and really, with 480 delay and 40 base DMG, you will be shooting for TP more with this gun.

And no, DP should be a much better gun than martial for DDing.

[Carrilei]

Melee TP is the most relevant "DD" playstyle for COR. Are you seriously saying ~40~ Raac on Slug (or 1.5 -> 2 fTP on Det) is inferior to 20% QD damage? Quick Draws will not be anywhere near 500s-700s during melee TP. Martial is clearly better than Death Penalty during melee TP. Blanketly thinking "it's a mythic, it must be the best for everything" is laughable.

DP is of course best for QD-only.. As far as /ra, it hardly matters if you're factoring in melee TP and QD-only since it's done so rarely, but it's arguable between DP, Martial, and Peacemaker.

Oh, and if you ever ranged TP'd with Death Penalty in a situation where you'd normally melee TP with Martial, the former would get routed. /ra TP on COR is primarily to avoid overly deadly AoE's.

[Deader2818]

You know, COR mostly only Melees in merits.

You don't Melee Sky gods, Jailers, HNMs(DI, SW, Cerb, Khim, etc), there is even stuff in salvage that you would be better off. So yes, being able to QD those with DP, while not having the horriable 600 delay and still having a high base DMG, makes this the best DD Gun as well for COR.

[Carrilei]

Bad CORs only melee in merits.

You should be meleeing the large majority of mobs in Salvage.. Same for Nyzul, Einherjar, Limbus, Dynamis, etc..

[Deader2818]

The main reason a COR melees for TP is because of the horriable delay of guns that makes it worthless to shoot for TP.

with 480 delay, you don't have to do that.

Thats like saying no matter what, a Ranger should Melee for TP. I mean hey, they have 240 skill in axe as well. As well as dagger.

[Carrilei]

Let me remind you of the amazing Greater Cassandra.. DMG34, Delay 466, -and- 8 Raac.

[Deader2818]

Last I checked 40 DMG > 34 DMG and 40 DMG > 13 DMG

Lets also remember, if you are shooting for TP with DP, you will be doing a lot more DMG in the TP phase then you will if you melee for TP as range attacks work a lot differently then melee attacks so overall, you damage will be a lot higher.

You also wouldn't use those guns because it turns your QD damage to shit. So with DP, you will be doing higher DMG through Ranged Damage and QD damage.

The delay is still great enough as well where you can get 6 hit /war or 5 hit if you choose to keep up SAM roll and you can have a 5 hit /SAM while only needing Skadi legs + Mekki/Rose


Oh and before you bring up you wont be able to hit anything /WAR or /SAM, COR has more then enough racc gear now and in the situations i'm discussing, you will amost always have Hunters Roll and Pot-au-feu is an amazing food.

[Carrilei]

Ah okay.. So let me get this straight:

104 DMG (with Steel), 466 Delay, and 8 Raac isn't good enough to warrant ranged TP over melee TP.. But 110 DMG, 480 Delay, and 0 Raac is? Gotcha, it's clear to me now.

[Deader2818]

Ah okay.. So let me get this straight:

104 DMG (with Steel), 466 Delay, and 8 Raac isn't good enough to warrant ranged TP over melee TP.. But 110 DMG, 480 Delay, and 0 Raac is? Gotcha, it's clear to me now.

Nope, because that's taking away your QD damage.

Want racc with DP? Get 100 TP and use Leaden salute for racc aftermath.

[Carrilei]

I don't want to clog up this thread anymore, but the reason I just went through that Cassandra example is to show that your argument is not based on the damage/delay/stats on the gun, but solely the improved QD damage.

And I'm saying going /ra DP instead of melee Martial just for a little QD damage is a poor choice. You're not going to have a stave equipped, you're not going to have a MaB SJ - that slight edge in QD damage will get demolished by more and better performing WS.

Also, lol @ "just use 100 TP on Leaden to get a little Raac."

[Deader2818]

If COR did not have QD AT ALL. Then You would see more people use Silver Cassandra. That alone is the main reason it is not used. The drop off from 39 DMG (Martial gun) to 33 DMG is pretty big for QD DMG.

If you are /RA with DP, you will have a Vulcan's staff on which will further Improve QD damage (fire shot) as well as your RA and WS DMG (5 STR/+10 RATTK)

If you are slugging (which should usually be your most damaging WS), DP will still come out ahead as all marital adds is more racc to it and as I have already stated, COR has more then enough racc to land slug now on higher level mobs and if you really need the racc, you can leaden for racc after math.

Ive ran the numbers using your own gear set you have listed on FFXIAH and you will have enough racc with food + hunters roll to have capped acc on most things /WAR

[Carrilei]

Wow, I won't even touch that.. I'll just point out that since it's likely you'll have a day and/or weather with Ice/Wind/Earth/Water/Thunder the whole "Vulcan's will further help QD" is minimal (we are assuming all obi's are owned right? Ok). One can only hope, for someone with Death Penalty.

And another wow.. Assuming Hunter's Roll.. I give up again.

[Deader2818]

So you are telling me, if you have Vulcan's staff on for ranged attacks, and are using fire shot, it won't improve QD dmg? Really?

The problem is, you aren't seeing it as an overall picture of what a Corsair can do. You break it down that a COR should either DD though Melee/WS or only through QD, but if you put the whole thing together, you will see that clearly DP is an over all better weapon, and not "just a fancy QD gun"

We aren't talking merits here. So I don't understand why you have a problem with hunters roll. As HNMs/Jailers/Gods you will be using Hunters/Chaos roll and anything else you pointed out, Limbus/Salvage/Nyzul/Dynamis, you wont be having acc issues so you wouldn't use hunters roll there.

[fishstix]

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[Byrthnoth]

Silly person is silly.

COR doesn't shoot for TP because Haste doesn't affect Ranged attacks, so TP gain is miles faster meleeing than shooting. In case you guys missed it, good rangers (with k-clubs) do melee for TP, and imop it's the only way the job is remotely viable in a meleeburn situation. Rangers without k-clubs just don't get invited to situations where Ranged Attacks aren't a necessity due to AoEs. SE is trying to add Snapshot gear to fix the problem, but honestly it's all too little too late. They need to make Haste = Snapshot.

This gun is a great solo tool, but it isn't really the best weapon for every event (shocker, I know).

[Odin'sLaw]

Silly person is silly.

COR doesn't shoot for TP because Haste doesn't affect Ranged attacks, so TP gain is miles faster meleeing than shooting. In case you guys missed it, good rangers (with k-clubs) do melee for TP, and imop it's the only way the job is remotely viable in a meleeburn situation. Rangers without k-clubs just don't get invited to situations where Ranged Attacks aren't a necessity due to AoEs. SE is trying to add Snapshot gear to fix the problem, but honestly it's all too little too late. They need to make Haste = Snapshot.

This gun is a great solo tool, but it isn't really the best weapon for every event (shocker, I know).

bad rangers melee in tp burns because they just end up feeding the pink birds of spam pecking doom. killing all the melee's off while the rangers going "but its cheaper to melee then use arrows" i have no problem with a ranger meleeing just stop killing my war because your to cheap to use arrows or bullets

sorry rant over

[Fottiti]

bad rangers melee in tp burns because they just end up feeding the pink birds of spam pecking doom. killing all the melee's off while the rangers going "but its cheaper to melee then use arrows" i have no problem with a ranger meleeing just stop killing my war because your to cheap to use arrows or bullets

sorry rant over

If merit mobs are staying alive long enough for the amount of tp they're being fed to matter then your party sucks. If a rng is in a merit party and isn't meleeing then he is doing it wrong, find better people to party with.

[Callisto]

bad rangers melee in tp burns because they just end up feeding the pink birds of spam pecking doom. killing all the melee's off while the rangers going "but its cheaper to melee then use arrows" i have no problem with a ranger meleeing just stop killing my war because your to cheap to use arrows or bullets

sorry rant over

wat

[Aurara]

bad rangers melee in tp burns because they just end up feeding the pink birds of spam pecking doom. killing all the melee's off while the rangers going "but its cheaper to melee then use arrows" i have no problem with a ranger meleeing just stop killing my war because your to cheap to use arrows or bullets

sorry rant over

if that many pecking flurries get off...then i think you have bigger problems D: