Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Raen Ryong]

Fixed

What the heck is wrong with a THF using Cerb Mantle +1 <_<

[Aurara]

Fixed

you're an idiot

[Despain]

you're an idiot

Stop that!

[Chen]

isn't it like the best(or very close) back piece for solo SA?

[Strai]

Juliane - Hades - Mandau


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You guys can celebrate by doing expeditionary force since you found the beastmen banner!

[Raen Ryong]

isn't it like the best(or very close) back piece for solo SA?

- Best TP backpiece when using pizza/sushi most of the time or Feint is on
- Best soloSA backpiece unless you're buffed out of the ass
- As above, but soloTA
- Best backpiece for any variety of Dancing Edge when using pizza/sushi most of the time or Feint is on, likewise Evisceration depending on your dDEX and stuff.
- Best backpiece for Shark Bite and Mandalic Stab if you are not hugely buffed
- Best backpiece for Mercy Stroke unless your Attack is capped

Yah, it's pretty bad.

[Despain]

Obviously the fail in that pic is her not using a Thief's Knife, and not having her Assassin's Armlets equipped.

[Karbuncle]

For pure damage, technically Cuch Mantle will be the best SA piece and for trick attack... Assassin's Cape hands down, it even has the +5 Enmity for it.

as far as WS's go, 4STR/4DEX/5Acc when stacked with Sneak attack should overpower 4STR and 15Attack, for any THF Weaponskill, since i don't think 15 Attacks equates to 4 base DMG...?

Unstacked weaponskills its a toss up of math i'm not willing to caculate, however doesn't mean Cerb isn't incredibly awesome for TP when using Sush/Pizza =O!

[NynJa]

If you have a mandau and you're not using Mercy Stroke unless the situation calls for not using it (skillchain, unstacked WS), you should kill yourself.

[Yugl]

If you have a mandau and you're not using Mercy Stroke unless the situation calls for not using it (skillchain, unstacked WS), you should kill yourself.

Oh come on.

[Raen Ryong]

For pure damage, technically Cuch Mantle will be the best SA piece and for trick attack... Assassin's Cape hands down, it even has the +5 Enmity for it.

as far as WS's go, 4STR/4DEX/5Acc when stacked with Sneak attack should overpower 4STR and 15Attack, for any THF Weaponskill, since i don't think 15 Attacks equates to 4 base DMG...?

Unstacked weaponskills its a toss up of math i'm not willing to caculate, however doesn't mean Cerb isn't incredibly awesome for TP when using Sush/Pizza =O!

RE: SoloSA

Spoiler: show

Using numbers of 110DEX/83STR before backpiece and say 500 Attack, using everyone's favourite pink birds and using Blau/Sirocco:

I'm going to use cRatio instead of pdif to save me effort~

Cerberus Mantle +1: 110DEX/87STR/517Attack

Mainhand hit damage: (33 + 110 + 5) * (1 + [517/327 - 0.05*7]) * 1.25
= 148 * 2.23 * 1.25
= ~412.55

Offhand hit(s) damage: (26 + 5) * [517/327 - 0.05*7] * 1.25
= 31 * 1.23 * 1.25
= ~47.6625

Cuchulain's Mantle: 114DEX/87STR/502Attack

Mainhand hit damage: (33 + 114 + 5) * (1 + [502/327 - 0.05*7]) * 1.25
= 152 * 2.18 * 1.25
= ~414.2

Offhand hit(s) damage: (26 + 5) * [502/327 - 0.05*7] * 1.25
= 31 * 1.18 * 1.25
= ~45.725

Basically, Cerb Mantle+1 will typically win overall because it empowers offhand (non-SA affected) hits too. If you are fighting mobs stronger than a pink bird, it will begin to empower the SA-affected hit more than Cuch does as well due to level correction and such.

RE: SoloTA

Spoiler: show

Using numbers of 110AGI/83STR before backpiece and say 500 Attack, using everyone's favourite pink birds and using Blau/Sirocco:

Cerberus Mantle +1: 110AGI/87STR/517Attack

Mainhand hit damage: (33 + 110 * 1.15 + 5) * (1 + [517/327 - 0.05*7]) * 1.25
= 164.5 * 2.23 * 1.25
= ~458.54375

Offhand hit(s) damage: (26 + 5) * [517/327 - 0.05*7] * 1.25
= 31 * 1.23 * 1.25
= ~47.6625

Assassin's Cape: 114AGI/83STR/500Attack

Mainhand hit damage: (33 + 114 * 1.15 + 4) * (1 + [500/327 - 0.05*7]) * 1.25
= 168.1 * 2.17 * 1.25
= ~455.97125

Offhand hit(s) damage: (26 + 4) * [500/327 - 0.05*7] * 1.25
= 30 * 1.17 * 1.25
= ~43.875

Granted here you were unlucky to have cRatio fall by 0.01 there, but still: offhand hits will again make the difference, and on harder targets the Cerberus Mantle +1 is gonna fly ahead.

Only time Assassin's Cape will win for soloTA definitively is if you need the enmity transfer instead of the damage, where it is the best backpiece for the job.

RE: Weaponskills

I'm too lazy to do another load of math on these, but:

- DEX can add base damage through WSC but the DEX added by Sneak Attack damage does not benefit from fTP, making it weaker proportionately on high-fTP weaponskills (Shark Bite and Mercy Stroke in particular)
- 15 Attack over all n hits of Dancing Edge should be able to cope with ~1 WSC over (n-1) hits and 4 extra "almost base damage" for the first.
- Shark Bite/Mandalic Stab are touchy. Since Mandalic multiplies your Attack by 1.66, if your Attack is not capped when you use it (very high end mobs), then adding Attack will be explosive. Otherwise, adding stats like DEX will be best. Shark Bite is just to do with your level of buffs.

[Karbuncle]

So wait, 15 Attack is > 4 Base Weapon Damage for Solo SA/TA because of 1 Offhand hit? This is of Course assuming you're /NIN, if you're a Mandau THF wouldn't you be /WAR to anything worthwhile?

[Raen Ryong]

Well, I should be more specific by "offhand" hit which is very misleading: I mean any hit produced when you'd be wearing soloSA/TA gear, which could be triple proc'ing, offhand hit, etc.

And yeah, you would be - on these mobs however, the Attack will become even more valuable

[Karbuncle]

Okay, now i get it, as long as i can force a Double attack or Triple Attack everytime i SA/TA Cerb will win.

I'll never own a Cerb+1 or Cuch so not like it matters much ~.~

Still confuses me, but math doesn't lie.

[Raen Ryong]

Honestly, the difference isn't that big at the best of times unless you're fighting something really formidable. I'd just stick to Cerb+1 for most stuff just in case I'm engaged with a beasty with huge defence/level difference.

[thunderlips]

Finally T4 stopped being stingy this weekend...

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[Aurara]

grats.

[Sev]

TL! cg

[Fiendishone]

Finally T4 stopped being stingy this weekend...

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Grats! Jealous of the Novio, and nice QD set, now go solo AV!

P.S. Jealous of the Nailbat too, stupid lamia. . . .

[Cairthenn]

Finally T4 stopped being stingy this weekend...

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I'm more amazed that someone else in Buffalo plays FFXI than I am at the gun.