Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Tsuko_Asura]

Declaring that something is less efficient(and in his case, by extension, shouldn't be used) while being wittingly less efficient than you could be is a problem. You're arguing with me about something I'm not arguing about.

[Baelorn]

I can't remember the last time I joined even a BRD + COR + RDM pickup bird party where I actually was able to use hasso, hell, I can't remember the last time I put my flag up, took a party, and didn't do double the next closest pick-up DD while using seigan fulltime and still almost dying.

This is why I love having a second account with WHM75 available. Seek as MNK/NIN, show up as MNK/WAR with a WHM on /follow. Good times.

[Benevolentone]

I was gonna mention I wasn't really arguing with you but more like the mentality as a whole but I thought it might have been obvious. But alas, I suppose not!

[Fridell]

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Definitely agree with all of this to some extent. These days playing at max requires mules to bring everywhere, many people have this but far from all.
/SAM owns and I use it for most everything I can but as the situation looks /NIN is smoother in a way, even when it's not it seems to program the minds of others to feel more relaxed somehow haha. I think that's the main part, the psychological effect of being /NIN..

[Faris]

me too i agree with sath; numbers and equations are useless when you play with retards

[Baelorn]

me too i agree with sath; numbers and equations are useless when you play with retards

Suck less, play with better people, try harder, etc

[DAKPluto]

lots of good shit

Thank you. I hate these people that have jumped on the /SAM bandwagon and acting like it's now magically the only thing a WAR should sub...EVER.

Plenty of times to sub /SAM, and plenty of times to sub /NIN. And just way too many people nowdays don't seem to get that.

[AidenCarby]

All the Bravura wars in my ls use rose strap, dusk +1 and blitz ring :/

[ZhiGaruda]

Normal players are bad. Very bad. Most of them should be shot. At the very least they should have their hands cut off so they can no longer ruin my in-game experience with their shittery.

I'll be blunt, as much as I don't like it...SJ SAM in xarc or tav? Dead...dead...dead some more...oh look dead again. SJ SAM in dyn-qufim or bubu? Oh man body slam..I sure hope someone stuns that...dead.

Not to mention /SAM is jack-fucking shit worthless for low-man shit or most tanking situations. Salvage, Einherjar, city / valk / beacu dynamis, birds, nyzul, events with linkshells where mages don't jack off instead of cure - all great places for /SAM.

Cut out the parts I don't care about, and left with these strikingly familiar lines, I feel like I've spouted a million times.

I HATE subbing NIN. I hate hate hate hate it. But in Xarc, Tav and Qufim/Bubu, there is no choice, really.

Two or three times recently I was messing around with Thorny's shell when we had in excess of 10 people at an event, I'd go DRK/SAM or SAM/DRG(/WAR), and completely regretted it afterwards. I came to find out I would've done a lot more damaging being /NIN, just from lack of being weakened...in a 3 hour Dyna-Bastok, I went through 8 Pizza+1's and then 4 30-minute foods when I ran out of pizza's. For anyone counting - this means I spent LITERALLY one full hour dead, rofl, just from stupid shit like an Ore toss or Eagle Eye Shot

[Neoex]

We had 20-28 for Einherjar and Dynamis. All northlands.

All melee = go /SAM. Hasso 95%, Tav Seigan.

Most deaths would be to an occasional EES, or 100 fists.

1 WHM, 1 BRD 4x melee per party.

Only time I have ever /NIN was for Nyzle Aisle or Ultima, and it sucked so bad. Had my Bravura about 18 months.

Im not saying all support is created equal because its not, but it can be done, and it can be successful. It all goes back to if you have 10 DD /NIN you kill Dynamis mobs in 6 seconds. If you have 10 DD /SAM you kill dynamis mobs in 3 seconds. I will say if you have 1 DD /SAM and the others /NIN of course he is gonna be eating dirt, the whole concept is equal spread of the hate, if one DD is totally overpowering all the others, he is gonna be toast.

[Byrthnoth]

I will say if you have 1 DD /SAM and the others /NIN of course he is gonna be eating dirt, the whole concept is equal spread of the hate, if one DD is totally overpowering all the others, he is gonna be toast.

Right there is why half the FFXI endgame community can't see how /SAM is every viable (tried it at a few events as the only /SAM and died a lot) and the other half only uses it (everyone tried it at once). Either way, yall should work on your /NIN 6-hits if level 90 mobs are going to hit like Tiamat.

[jammalamma]

Cut out the parts I don't care about, and left with these strikingly familiar lines, I feel like I've spouted a million times.

I HATE subbing NIN. I hate hate hate hate it. But in Xarc, Tav and Qufim/Bubu, there is no choice, really.

Two or three times recently I was messing around with Thorny's shell when we had in excess of 10 people at an event, I'd go DRK/SAM or SAM/DRG(/WAR), and completely regretted it afterwards. I came to find out I would've done a lot more damaging being /NIN, just from lack of being weakened...in a 3 hour Dyna-Bastok, I went through 8 Pizza+1's and then 4 30-minute foods when I ran out of pizza's. For anyone counting - this means I spent LITERALLY one full hour dead, rofl, just from stupid shit like an Ore toss or Eagle Eye Shot

Sounds like somebody hasn't learned how to let other gimps take the fall for them if the support sucks.

Or to use seigan on RNG mobs.

[HadesChubbs]

I'll be blunt, as much as I don't like it...SJ SAM in xarc or tav? Dead...dead...dead some more...oh look dead again. SJ SAM in dyn-qufim or bubu? Oh man body slam..I sure hope someone stuns that...dead.

I agree and disagree here. The /nin in dynamis mentality is just labeling your whms as trash who cant play their job, which may or may not be true (I'd guess not for the most part). If you have 10-15 dd /sam the hate spread should be about even, so normal mobs should pose no threat other than the occasional EES, HF, or a well timed quadstrike.

I agree with the body slam part, but all that can be dealt with by asking your blms to do something more than LOLBURST2GOOOO. For bubu we have an ES stun rotation that eliminates the majority of harmful moves of the boss. This is the same thing we do minus ES part for xarc dragons, and have good results the majority of the time.

For all other events that I do outside of LS where theres a chance I would die, if I dont personally know the mage I'd definately /nin, thankfully I dont do many events outside of LS.

[Talisien]

gospel

Amen brother, seriously.

PS it doesn't count if ex does it!

[BerenTebogo]

I agree and disagree here. The /nin in dynamis mentality is just labeling your whms as trash who cant play their job, which may or may not be true (I'd guess not for the most part). If you have 10-15 dd /sam the hate spread should be about even, so normal mobs should pose no threat other than the occasional EES, HF, or a well timed quadstrike.

I agree with the body slam part, but all that can be dealt with by asking your blms to do something more than LOLBURST2GOOOO. For bubu we have an ES stun rotation that eliminates the majority of harmful moves of the boss. This is the same thing we do minus ES part for xarc dragons, and have good results the majority of the time.

For all other events that I do outside of LS where theres a chance I would die, if I dont personally know the mage I'd definately /nin, thankfully I dont do many events outside of LS.

I think you've been spoiled by good support for too long. I'd kill for one mage I could count on day in and day out, let alone a choice between multiple ones.

[Fiendishone]

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I'm probably going to hell for this, but I have to agree with Sath.

I only merit on my COR with LS people anymore cuz at least I know they have an IQ higher then that of a wet rat.

I blame the JP's who have all the friggin SAM's go /nin to their merit ptys so they aren't "mp sinks" when they don't seem to realize that sam/war makes shit die alot faster. Every sam/nin i come across I wanna use my Tomoe and turn them into a god damn "pansy-kabob".

[Zatho]

Luckily enough our support in dynamis was great. I can't remember the last time i did nyzul isle or an assault without 4 or 5 of us being from my shell. Merits i had dnc/cor/brd friends and if i didn't know the support in the party no thanks. Fuck going /nin to merits and still keeping hate 60% of the time bc the drg/sam or war are rocking 5% haste total in gear and shit. Then again the wars with bravura i have seen using askar helm/hands aurum feet snipers ring just can't be f helped. Idk about some of u but my hope on pick ups or relying on people idk ran out a long long time ago.

[Gorki]

Then again the wars with bravura i have seen using askar helm/hands aurum feet

aftermath? idk

[Faris]

so we all agree, it all depends on good support and the reliance on other DDs hate.

the point still stands, so /SAM isnt really a one man thing, gotta consider your whole PT/alliance first.

[Masamune]

If I don't know the people I'm going to be doing things with and/or trust them I will /NIN all the time every time.

There are very few situations in game anymore where I'm able to play at my max /SAM as WAR without knowing full well that I'm throwing away EXP. Blame the healers, blame the situation, whatever, I can ride aftermath 100% of the time in some events and still die 5+ times over 2 hours due to shitty/afk/slow support.

I can't remember the last time I joined even a BRD + COR + RDM pickup bird party where I actually was able to use hasso, hell, I can't remember the last time I put my flag up, took a party, and didn't do double the next closest pick-up DD while using seigan fulltime and still almost dying.

Normal players are bad. Very bad. Most of them should be shot. At the very least they should have their hands cut off so they can no longer ruin my in-game experience with their shittery. That being said...for every healer I get with a brain who can keep up, or every party I get with DDs who know what a 6-hit is and don't let me tank 99.9% of the time, I get 30 parties where I want to hang myself staring at Third Eye: 00:15 while my HP drops slowly into red for 2 hours.

I'll be blunt, as much as I don't like it...SJ SAM in xarc or tav? Dead...dead...dead some more...oh look dead again. SJ SAM in dyn-qufim or bubu? Oh man body slam..I sure hope someone stuns that...dead. Meriting on things that aren't birds with a pick-up party? "Oh hey can you silence that mamool? It's casting thunder IV on me and everyone is stun..." dead.

Not to mention /SAM is jack-fucking shit worthless for low-man shit or most tanking situations. Salvage, Einherjar, city / valk / beacu dynamis, birds, nyzul, events with linkshells where mages don't jack off instead of cure - all great places for /SAM. And to a point my perspective is very jaded because Fenrir is the backwater of all backwater. I have to accept that a good experience with a mage is only being in red HP for 30~ seconds because hey, at least it wasn't 60 seconds right?!

/SAM is my favorite SJ by far. I love to use it even at times when I know I'm going to get the handle of my Bravura shoved deep inside my ass. What it all comes down to though is what it has always come down to on anything of any consequence: your melee are only as good as your support allows them to be.

Oh? Did I mention our HQ berk Bravura WARs who use pole grip /NIN? Dude...I fucking LOVE 8-hit Bravura, don't you?!

Edit: Forgot we have Bravura WARs who use Headsman's ring too. I don't know how I forgot that, but I did. Also another LS funded Bravura up and coming for someone who thinks H. ring is the best ring for WAR to use period, along with askar hands of course.

O my... this should be stickied, so fucking true.

Your are my idol.