Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Atoreis]

Did you really just write a decently long post defending a gimp relic nin?

Edit: That ninja is on Ramuh? Look up Johanna. That is what a relic NIN is.

Don't forget Rhaegal!

[Milkster]

I personally think the biggest error in his ways is having Brutal on the right, but hey, I have standards.

Today was the best day ever! Unfortunately you did not get to hear about it.

It is BG, you will be torn down and violated verbally if one thing is wrong.

[NynJa]

only thing i see he lack is a cuchu mantle and earring

You do not need a Cuchu mantle for magian trials, which is what its believed he's doing. if you need accuracy to fight mobs 15 levels below you, you're blind as a bat. So much fucking Cuchu mantle cockriding here, I'm surprised people don't call brd's gimp for not using one.

Suppa is inexcusable though, dont know what nin upgrading relic wouldnt have a suppa for.

but mkris with yonin requires some accuracy for solo doing katana trial

No it doesnt. Nin dagger caps at 230, which before level corrections and any additional accuracy from dex and gear, is equivalent to a lv67. Unless you're doing your magian trials on EM mobs, the skill is plenty sufficient to cover any accuracy issues on 56-63 mobs.

[Iremire]

Today was the best day ever! Unfortunately you did not get to hear about it.

It is BG, you will be torn down and violated verbally if one thing is wrong.

This, it still surprises me when people post screenshots then get mad when people criticize their gear choices. What the fuck did you think would happen when you posted it here. If you don't want to have people on your nuts wear the gear that is sensible not "town gear" "miss macro" you know there is a delete button on your keyboard to erase screenshots of those and I think , but I mean I could be wrong, that you can upload multiple pictures to the internet.

[Arthars]

You do not need a Cuchu mantle for magian trials, which is what its believed he's doing. if you need accuracy to fight mobs 15 levels below you, you're blind as a bat. So much fucking Cuchu mantle cockriding here, I'm surprised people don't call brd's gimp for not using one.

Suppa is inexcusable though, dont know what nin upgrading relic wouldnt have a suppa for.

yes you do.

hes at stage 1 kikoku magian, and lesser attack helps alot in WS-ing more

not to mention metsu is a 1 hit WS + him using a 230 skill dagger(will mean offhand hit will also miss even more often), which means if you miss the first hit, you waste 100% TP

if you have a relic, you will know how "randomly blinded" relic WS are even on a "Too Weak" mob

anyway thats not the point. what i mean in my post is that the only things he lack are mantle and earring. im not saying he should be using a cuchu on magian.

[Fottiti]

if you have a relic, you will know how "randomly blinded" relic WS are even on a "Too Weak" mob

95% acc cap with 1 hit WS etc. Even with gimped dagger skill the offhand hit should still easily be capped acc when fighting EP mobs with minimal acc gear.

Before you rebuttle, I did have Amano for 2 years and I never experienced this "randomly blinded" thing you are refering to. My Kaiten acc was always capped except for things like fafhogg's blind or meritting at MMJSP with puks/nin and thf mamool/wyverns.

[Meat]

most jobs go from a multi hit ws to a single hit with a relic upgrade, misses are just a lot more noticeable on a relic.

[Eleven19]

Missed 2/3 WS's on Amano during 2hr on some random Orc (Non-NM) in Dynamis Sandy.

I'd call that random blindness lol.

[NynJa]

yes you do.

hes at stage 1 kikoku magian, and lesser attack helps alot in WS-ing more

not to mention metsu is a 1 hit WS + him using a 230 skill dagger(will mean offhand hit will also miss even more often), which means if you miss the first hit, you waste 100% TP

if you have a relic, you will know how "randomly blinded" relic WS are even on a "Too Weak" mob

anyway thats not the point. what i mean in my post is that the only things he lack are mantle and earring. im not saying he should be using a cuchu on magian.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9xzhrPA6ve...it+piccard.jpg

So, lets see, he should be at the acc cap for the Katana...95%, which means theoretically you should wind up missing 1 in every 20 metsus. I'm certain actual testing would show you'll miss something more like one in every 50, if not more.
If someone would like to do the math and check what the average accuracy rate for a 230 skilled weapon from a lv75 char to:
Mountain Jubjub 60-63 Meriphataud Mountains (S)
Marsh Murre 64-67 Caedarva Mire
Dire Bat 61-63 Vunkerl Inlet (S)
Lesser Colibri 63-65 Bhaflau Thickets*
Lesser Colibri 63-65 Wajaom Woodlands*
Impish Bats 58-60 Toraimarai Canal**
Incubus Bats 63-65 Garlaige Citadel (S)**
*Feather Tickle durrrrrrr
**Dungeon durrrrrr
I'm not sure if any of the listed mobs are truly convenient as far as placement/area aggro goes, especially those dungeon bats, but its what I found that Kikoku stage 1 would probably do.

Anyways, I'd be surprised if anything there registered anything less than a 90% hit rate, so you'd have 95% on main hand, and 90% offhand. Mathematically what's rate you'll whiff every hit?


But if it means anything, I whiffed 4 Gekkos in the first 25 minutes of Salvage last night -.-

[Vodou]

So, lets see, he should be at the acc cap for the Katana...95%, which means theoretically you should wind up missing 1 in every 20 metsus. I'm certain actual testing would show you'll miss something more like one in every 50, if not more.

Your math scares me.

But if it means anything, I whiffed 4 Gekkos in the first 25 minutes of Salvage last night -.-

160,000 to 1.

You do know that there is not hidden 95% accuracy on the first hit of a WS correct?

[Kirschy]

I can confirm with over 3k+ Catastrophes that my WS acc was 96.x%. (Which is accounted for by DA+ and Zanshin.) I once missed 5 Catastrophe in a row on the same crab, and also managed to land 70+ WS in a row without missing. Random is random, but at the end of a long parse, the numbers work out~

[Kirschy]

You do know that there is not hidden 95% accuracy on the first hit of a WS correct?

I am not sure if I am reading you correctly but there is definitely a huge accuracy boost to Gekko and many other WS. This is easily proven by using blind pots to achieve a ~50% melee acc rate, and still having a ~95% WS rate on Gekko. I've done ~100 WS sample sizes, and it's been repeated for other WS such as Catastrophe and Kaiten by myself and others.

[Vodou]

I am not sure if I am reading you correctly but there is definitely a huge accuracy boost to Gekko and many other WS. This is easily proven by using blind pots to achieve a ~50% melee acc rate, and still having a ~95% WS rate on Gekko. I've done ~100 WS sample sizes, and it's been repeated for other WS such as Catastrophe and Kaiten by myself and others.

I've seen the results people posted and even done a test of my own using blind pots; I agree what others have posted that the bonus is around +100 acc.

But, there is a distinct differerence between hitting the 95% accuracy cap because there is a hidden +accuracy of 100 and believing (as some people do) that the first swing on the WS is 95%.

My post was regarding the possibility that someone was interpreting facts as the latter.


If one misses 5 catas in a row with capped accuracy (3.2 million to 1), then either accuracy was not capped (blinded?), or there is something else going on in the game that no one has defined. I'm comfortable with either.


And, assumimg my math is right, missing 4 gekkos in a row at 95% is the same as hitting 233 in a row while capped. The first obviously 'seems' plausbile, but statistically speaking, it should be questioned.

[NynJa]

You do know that there is not hidden 95% accuracy on the first hit of a WS correct?

Whoa whoa whoa...When the hell did I say this? In regards to the katana having capped accuracy? Your main weapon better have capped accuracy on mobs 15 levels below you without any effort.

[Onorgul]

But, there is a distinct differerence between hitting the 95% accuracy cap because there is a hidden +accuracy of 100 and believing (as some people do) that the first swing on the WS is 95%.

While there's a technical difference, is there really a practical difference? Getting under a 45% hit rate would require doing something absurd like using a Staff on Red Mage.

[Fottiti]

But, there is a distinct differerence between hitting the 95% accuracy cap because there is a hidden +accuracy of 100 and believing (as some people do) that the first swing on the WS is 95%.

Nobody in this thread insinuated that you automatically recieve 95% accuracy on first hit of WS. Just that realistically you will be hitting 95% acc on that first hit in any reasonable situation (except for very few exceptions I already mentioned).

Also Nynja said he missed 4 Gekkos in the first 25mins of salvage, not 4 in a row which is perfectly plausible (thats a realistic minimum of 40+ WS's depending on the zone and competance of your group). Although given the amount of time we spend playing this game, at some point you will end up missing several WS in a row with capped acc.

[BerenTebogo]

I've seen the results people posted and even done a test of my own using blind pots; I agree what others have posted that the bonus is around +100 acc.

But, there is a distinct differerence between hitting the 95% accuracy cap because there is a hidden +accuracy of 100 and believing (as some people do) that the first swing on the WS is 95%.

My post was regarding the possibility that someone was interpreting facts as the latter.


If one misses 5 catas in a row with capped accuracy (3.2 million to 1), then either accuracy was not capped (blinded?), or there is something else going on in the game that no one has defined. I'm comfortable with either.


And, assumimg my math is right, missing 4 gekkos in a row at 95% is the same as hitting 233 in a row while capped. The first obviously 'seems' plausbile, but statistically speaking, it should be questioned.

Your math is correct but your grasp of statistics is iffy if you think ACC wasn't capped. As long as a possibility exists for something to happen it is inevitable that it WILL indeed happen at any given point in time. Missing 5 cata in a row is a 3.2million to 1 odds but it doesn't change the fact that it's not impossible.

Weird? Rare? Yes. Impossible? No. Improbable? Nope. Just, as Kirschy said, the nature of random distribution rearing its ugly head.

[Vodou]

Whoa whoa whoa...When the hell did I say this? In regards to the katana having capped accuracy? Your main weapon better have capped accuracy on mobs 15 levels below you without any effort.

My fault here.

I read something into your original post that you didn't say. Rats. Comes from reading and posting at work while gulping lunch.

[Despain]

Its amazing what a post on page 234 can do.

Was it ever confirmed if that dude had a suppa or not?

[Arthars]

its doesnt even matter if acc is capped for the player at 95% or not

random blindness is random blindness and im sure relic users have experienced this random blindness except for residue amazing amano

9/10 people miss their first ever relic WS upon acquisition, showing off their WS on a behemot dominion thunder elemental and miss, causing serious LOLs(actually thats me)

true story

As for that dude, IF he have another relic like amano or apoc, it is semi-understandable that he gave up supo for abyssal or bushi. even that came across my mind a few times but i just settle for hollow earring for drk

sorry for derail....next relic pls