Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[IronPandemonium]

Disagree entirely, you need a very large shell to do Einherjar consistently and you need to be in a (likely botting) HNM shell to do Nidhogg. All a relic takes is perseverance, not a huge group of people helping you.

Don't forget liquidation of all other fourteen slots (technically fifteen if yoichi/annih) to go along with that perseverance. ):

[Tsuko_Asura]

Disagree entirely, you need a very large shell to do Einherjar consistently and you need to be in a (likely botting) HNM shell to do Nidhogg. All a relic takes is perseverance, not a huge group of people helping you.

Even if you are going to Einherjar with a very large(read: too large) group of people, he's still in the wrong.

He either a) created that weapon over a large period of time, in which case he had ample opportunity to obtain an E.Body waiting in a line, or b) created that weapon in a very short period of time, in which case he should also be capable of buying the abjuration outright.

He's an idiot, stop defending him.

[Nightfyre]

Was going off of this. I'm not sure when E.Body became "gear he should already have."

Even if he's using Hauberk he's at least gaining accuracy, which is fairly important given that 88% acc figure that was thrown around earlier.

hurr

EDIT: Hauberk +1 in equip history.

[Eanae]

Hard to get an Ebody when no HNM ls wants you. The only reason he got into WW was because he "hates Arnada" and we kicked WW from our little alliance so they're mad. Excel's really not that bad a guy though, I just think he tries too hard sometimes to make sense. He's my arguing buddy when I'm bored and a nice source of entertainment.

[Therin]

Even if you are going to Einherjar with a very large(read: too large) group of people, he's still in the wrong.

I was getting at that most linkshells don't even have enough people anymore to do Einherjar at all.

[Tsuko_Asura]

People in burnout shells like that should already be nearly capped on E.Body, TBH

[Chen]

how did you work that out?

i mean, my event LS has been around for 3 years, and has a very good record in einherjar, but it's crazy to think we'll be capped on e.bodies at any point, unless your LS only has less than 1/2 it's members with e.body jobs? (everyone has 1 nowadays ;/)

edit: especially in event LS's, members come and go alot faster, were as in HNMs you can stay around longer for large payouts.

[Tsuko_Asura]

More than half of your members play their E.Body jobs actively? Sounds like you've got twenty DRKs and two BRDs coming out to events.

[Deader2818]

Why do you have to actively play your E body job for the LS to get one? @.@

Unless im missing your point.

[Chen]

no, we have every job we need for events. we don't select 9 DD's for einherjar tiers, and only allow them e.bodies, our leader is brd every run and has e.body

[Tsuko_Asura]

Well there's your problem, you're giving E.Bodies to people who don't use them

[Therin]

Well there's your problem, you're giving E.Bodies to people who don't use them

By that logic you're saying that everyone who has a relic for their job should exclusively play that job. Don't you think there are some people out there with Apocs and such that are forced to come as BRD or RDM to most events? I see a paradox here. You expect someone with an Apoc to have an E.Body but you can't have an E.Body if you don't play your DRK.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Do you even know what a paradox is? lol

[Deader2818]

Ok, let me see if I can follow what you are saying.

Someone has DRK and BRD, their DRK isn't needed for most events so they come BRD for the good of the linkshell. They use DRK for other things that arent LS events and generally love playing that much more.

So, by your logic, that person should not be allowed to lot an E body?

[Therin]

So, by your logic, that person should not be allowed to lot an E body?

According to his logic, yes, even if that person has spent the past year of his life upgrading an Apoc out of his own pocket for a job he isn't allowed to use for LS events. And he calls other people idiots.

[Dooom]

Well there's your problem, you're giving E.Bodies to people who don't use them for Einherjar

Important note. What people come as for event A may not be what they use for events B C D E, meriting, and general larking about. Furthermore, telling people "come bard for Einherjar" and then not letting them lot gear for their other jobs, which they may care more about? That's a good way to piss your members off.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Jobs that don't see the light of day shouldn't be a priority, simple as that.

By your logic, the guy who absolutely adores his BST is just as entitled to an E.Body as the guy who shows up on his DRK to tank 100% of the linkshell's events. Did I get that about right?

Bleeding hearts shouldn't be in charge of deciding who gets what in a linkshell.

Edit: And Therin, take your straw man arguments somewhere else. The guy doesn't know how to use his shiny gear, he is an idiot. Hey, while you're gone, maybe you can look up the definition of "paradox".

[Tsuko_Asura]

Important note. What people come as for event A may not be what they use for events B C D E, meriting, and general larking about. Furthermore, telling people "come bard for Einherjar" and then not letting them lot gear for their other jobs, which they may care more about? That's a good way to piss your members off.

Rotate bards?

[Drunkenmonk]

i got my ebody 3 yrs ago while working a fulltime job in a ls who casually camped kings, it's not that fucking hard to do if you actually try instead of bitching about bots on BG.

[Deader2818]

So, the fact that they come a job that the LS needs for an event, has no baring on what gear they should be allowed to lot?

Seems then you are just going to get people who refuse to come jobs needed by the linkshell, to come the jobs they like, in order to get gear for said job.