Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[fredjanx]

sure volume are a pretty good shell, but theres no point in saying ridiculous numbers. there is the funny bg elitism, then there is just O.O;;

I second this.

[test123]

Your argument isn't influenced by the way you managed to add 4+4+3+3+3 and get 19 is it?

Ace's 4 Swift 4 Homam 3 Homam 3 Homam 3

I did assume speed belt. However, if he has only swift the incentive to use 2% more haste is even lower. Because the less haste you have access to, the less you should focus on haste :D

Look at it this way. If you had no haste execept a blitz ring, would you trade 7 accuracy for 1% haste? no, because 1% alone is shit.

[FailureMidgard]

I did assume speed belt. However, if he has only swift the incentive to use 2% more haste if even lower. Because the less haste you have access to, the less you should focus on haste :D

Look at it this way. If you had no haste execept a blitz ring, would you trade 7 accuracy for 1% haste? no, because 1% alone is shit.

Except you're still missing the fact that you can cap accuracy WITHOUT sacrificing haste. Once you understand this concept, get back to us (and if for some god-awful reason you can't, switch to Pizza). Until then, just stop, because you're wrong.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Completely misleading. Just because you're essentially taking haste's biggest advantage and turning it around in a sentence doesn't mean its not the best choice.

[NynJa]

G horn

Is your linkshell going to GIVE me one, or am I going to have to get the currency and you'll kill Quiebietiel and Animated Horn for me? Because if I'm hunting down close to 230m (gilga street prices, assuming borrowed last stage) in currency, thats hardly getting shit given to me. If I've got that much money, I can fucking pay off another LS to kill the horn and NM's for me, whats another 5 mil?
That's hardly given to me, so I ask you again, what the hell does a bard want from a HNMLS?

Incentive to level a fun job.

I presume you're saying bards a fun job? No, I've done bard, in dynamis, in xp pt's, in merits, its fucking BORING. I cant imagine it being any better for HNM's..."oh Elegys down, lets cast it...ok ballad and march...ballad and march...ballad and march, oh I can cure...nvm whm beat me to it", yeah fun shit guize.

idk most of tsuko's posts are pretty dead on, Nynja.

No, they really arent, they're fucking retarded, is what they are.

Money, entertainment?
And you all seem to have a serious issue with reading comprehension.
Prioritizing =/= Neglecting

Things you're imagining me saying:
People should only play one job
People should only get equipment for jobs they use at events
Melee without relic weapons are useless

Things I'm actually saying:
People who can only fit one role are useless
People who aren't competent in whatever role they're playing are useless
Jobs that virtually never see the light of day shouldn't be a priority
Therin, Nynja, and the Apoc-owner in question are all idiots

No, what you are clearly saying is that you should only get gear from a LS from the jobs the LS makes you use. You cant twist your words around any further than that, because your sentence doesnt leave room for interpretation. Lets see:

Well there's your problem, you're giving E.Bodies to people who don't use them

Jobs that don't see the light of day shouldn't be a priority, simple as that.

By your logic, the guy who absolutely adores his BST is just as entitled to an E.Body as the guy who shows up on his DRK to tank 100% of the linkshell's events. Did I get that about right?

Hmm, you're clearly stating that "because you only bard for us, fuck your drk your bst your war your sam...fuck your fun jobs, BARD ONLY BITCH".


I hope to god you're not a LS leader, because that's got to be one pitiful depressing LS you've got, either that or you've got a band of morons following you around blindly like that. I dont know many people who'd willingly get tied down to shit jobs because you demand they play X job for you, when they cant get gear for their other jobs because you prefer other people play them.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'm done responding to you until you find the time to look up the meaning of the word priority.

[Dooom]

Hmm, you're clearly stating that "because you only bard for us, fuck your drk your bst your war your sam...fuck your fun jobs, BARD ONLY BITCH".

Actually, his second statement isn't. Priority (to me) implies your bst, pup, whatever hobby job you have can still get gear, but other, more useful jobs may get it ahead of you (e.g., points modifiers so your rdms can get red legs ahead of drgs). There is still the chance for your bst to get an e-body, but your linkshell's drk tank is priority over your bst. This is all assuming attendance, attitude, etc. etc. are equal.

And I'm fairly sure Baelorn and Byr were joking.

[fredjanx]

I presume you're saying bards a fun job? No, I've done bard, in dynamis, in xp pt's, in merits, its fucking BORING. I cant imagine it being any better for HNM's..."oh Elegys down, lets cast it...ok ballad and march...ballad and march...ballad and march, oh I can cure...nvm whm beat me to it", yeah fun shit guize.

Pretty sure that he meant, someone playing BRD at endgame events would get bored enough to level a fun job.

Spoiler: show

does a fun job exist?

[NynJa]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94275

Is that what you mean by priority. I guess priority for people who are pinned to shit boring jobs with nothing to gain are nothing more than mules.

[Despain]

I disagree with people who come to events with certain jobs should have priority over certain gear. I may not play said job at an event, or hardly ever play the job period, but when I do play the job, I want to be the best at it period.

If its a point based LS, tough luck. I earned my points, I can use them however the fuck I want. That doesn't mean I won't be courteous and pass on something for someone else who could put more use to it. However, if I simply don't like the person, I won't pass.

[Baelorn]

G horn post was a joke. Couldn't think of anything in HNM worth lotting if you could only lot for BRD.

And "Incentive to level a fun job" meant BRD was so boring it would inspire you to level something more fun.

Basically, BRD fucking sucks to play.

[Despain]

Funny thing is you could do most if not all of the shit on this game without a BRD, you'd just need to put more effort into it.

[test123]

Except you're still missing the fact that you can cap accuracy WITHOUT sacrificing haste. Once you understand this concept, get back to us (and if for some god-awful reason you can't, switch to Pizza). Until then, just stop, because you're wrong.

sure, he can buy a haubergeon for 60k, put on turban and a blitz ring, and only be out 1 acc, 18 atk and 7 STR.

but my point was that if he wished to stay in ares's. swapping ace->turban and Ulthalam->Blitz is not always as good.

[Dooom]

but my point was that if he wished to stay in ares's. swapping ace->turban and Ulthalam->Blitz is not always as good.

And everyone else's point is that staying in ares' with a 88% (iirc) hit rate is a bloody stupid idea.

[Baelorn]

Actually, his second statement isn't. Priority (to me) implies your bst, pup, whatever hobby job you have can still get gear, but other, more useful jobs may get it ahead of you (e.g., points modifiers so your rdms can get red legs ahead of drgs). There is still the chance for your bst to get an e-body, but your linkshell's drk tank is priority over your bst. This is all assuming attendance, attitude, etc. etc. are equal.

His priority isn't about how useful the item is for the job. It's about how useful it is for the event/ls.

Example(Einherjar, both jobs have equal attendance):

Player A is DRK and BRD. Always plays BRD at events.
Player B is WAR and SMN. WAR for all chambers w/ exception of Odin.

If E Body drops Player B would get it first. If I'm following him right, and I think I am, Player B would still get it even if Player A was ahead in attendance.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[Tsuko_Asura]

You're wrong, because someone with WAR and SMN(read: only WAR) shouldn't be allowed in the linkshell.

[Aurara]

You're wrong, because someone with WAR and SMN(read: only WAR) shouldn't be allowed in the linkshell.

This...anyone who doesnt have a melee+mage combo i.e x dd+rdm/cor/blm/brd/whm minimum shouldnt be in a shell.

[NynJa]

You're wrong, because someone with WAR and SMN(read: only WAR) shouldn't be allowed in the linkshell.

Why would anyone want to join your linkshell anyways? You'll just pin them to bard, and they wont be able to get anything regardless.

Though its funny you're citing his example as wrong only because "I wouldnt take a WAR and SMN"...you know thats exactly how the lotting would go.

[Baelorn]

You're wrong, because someone with WAR and SMN(read: only WAR) shouldn't be allowed in the linkshell.

Tsuko uses Dodge.

The second job is irrelevant as long as they play the WAR the majority of the time. SMN was just the easiest way to illustrate that for Einherjar.

[Tsuko_Asura]

How is it irrelevant? If everyone has a useful secondary job, nobody gets pinned to what they don't like.