Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[drwaffles]

I just can't bring myself to believe that Therin is sincerely unaware that Tsuko is a million times more intelligent than he can ever hope to be. The mob mentality in situations like this when a bunch of morons gang up against a smart person because they habitually misunderstand what's being argued is truly a testament to the idiocy of the common man.

[drwaffles]

Or do we need to resurrect the tired old claims about "skill" trumping gear? I'm pretty sure that argument would fly as well as a lead duck around here.

Since when is that a tired old argument? The only time it falls flat is when it's used by gimps who lack both good gear and skill. You can give a fully decked-out job to a complete retard and in almost every situation they'll be outperformed by a smart player on a limited budget. Good players have "skill" (i.e. good reflexes, good focus, good knowledge of game mechanics) and choose how to spend what money they have based primarily on cost-efficiency.

[S N K]

No one said he wasn't (aside test123, who is in a linkshell with him), I just hate that Tsuko's elitism considers E.Body standard fare for DRKs these days. Everything else spurred off from that.

There's always a person like Tsuko in every message board. He's smart but that's about it.

Since when is that a tired old argument?

Truthfully as old as this game is, It's true. The arguement seems to spin from one discussion about one minor flaw on a person's gear *Lack of Ebody for example*, and then people expressing that E-Body is something anyone with a relic can walk up and obtain.

Not everyone has access to HNM or Einherjar groups but to be fair, most people do.

[Devdas]

The basic fact of the matter is that everything in this game can be bought with money. This includes the rarest items such as AV and PW drops. It's all a matter of if you are willing to dish out what money you have for it or wait in an Einherjar shell. This is usually no big problem for larger shells but, With 18 average (No Relics and stuff) people some Einherjar floors will always screw you over causing you to be held back and in this case you know there is a rather large line for the rarest drops like e. bodies since one cannnot assume an average player has an E. Body.

Considering the random number bullshit that this game is based on you can go long runs without seeing a single E. Body or go seeing 10 in a row. Regarding buying it, some people just don't want to up and buy it or considering the server you are on it is unavailable; therefore, it is unfair to judge a player on just one item and call them gimp unless it is blatantly obvious they are doing idiotic things that everyone that has read wiki should know like the drk that was posted, yeah haubergeon +1 whar?

This entire argument is idiotic and makes me facepalm in ways I didn't even know existed.

[NynJa]

I'd like to point out buying an E.Bd from Einherjar is next to impossible >.>

[Aurara]

get 3 feathers with the group>enter odin>pay>lot>profit
(hope i didnt get wooshed)

[drwaffles]

get 3 feathers with the group>enter odin>pay>lot>profit
(hope i didnt get wooshed)

It's NynJa, so I doubt it.

[Aurara]

It's NynJa, so I doubt it.

whew...

[FailureMidgard]

The basic fact of the matter is that everything in this game can be bought with money. This includes the rarest items such as AV and PW drops. It's all a matter of if you are willing to dish out what money you have for it or wait in an Einherjar shell. This is usually no big problem for larger shells but, With 18 average (No Relics and stuff) people some Einherjar floors will always screw you over causing you to be held back and in this case you know there is a rather large line for the rarest drops like e. bodies since one cannnot assume an average player has an E. Body.

Considering the random number bullshit that this game is based on you can go long runs without seeing a single E. Body or go seeing 10 in a row. Regarding buying it, some people just don't want to up and buy it or considering the server you are on it is unavailable; therefore, it is unfair to judge a player on just one item and call them gimp unless it is blatantly obvious they are doing idiotic things that everyone that has read wiki should know like the drk that was posted, yeah haubergeon +1 whar?

This entire argument is idiotic and makes me facepalm in ways I didn't even know existed.

Except, we're in the relic thread, and the people being commented on aren't your average player. Nobody assume the average player has an ebody...but if you're getting a relic? The average player isn't getting that either. And past that, talking about buying it...again, don't expect most people to be able to drop that kinda money...or to be able to drop the money for a relic. Then again, someone is about to counter with them not buying the currency, which is stupid and utter bullshit and should really be a bannable offense, because it's that bad of an argument.

I'd like to point out buying an E.Bd from Einherjar is next to impossible >.>

Volume sold 1 from Ein, and I can say with near certainty if someone wants to buy one and can make our scheduled ein times, we'll gladly do it...granted it still has to drop, but no dealing with claim, odd hours, etc.

[NynJa]

get 3 feathers with the group>enter odin>pay>lot>profit
(hope i didnt get wooshed)

I mean its not as clear but as "Beg the LS who claimed nid to let me buy"

[Devdas]

Except, we're in the relic thread, and the people being commented on aren't your average player. Nobody assume the average player has an ebody...but if you're getting a relic? The average player isn't getting that either. And past that, talking about buying it...again, don't expect most people to be able to drop that kinda money...or to be able to drop the money for a relic. Then again, someone is about to counter with them not buying the currency, which is stupid and utter bullshit and should really be a bannable offense, because it's that bad of an argument.

I'm not saying that someone that has a relic shouldn't buy one cause obviously they got a relic they have the money. I am saying that some people don't want to go out and buy it but instead would rather wait to get it from Einherjar which isn't always easy considering one's luck/linkshell. Which is why trashing someone for not having it when they are doing everything else correctly (obviously not in the case of the drk that sparked this conversation but other apoc drks) is silly which is what I thought this entire argument was about.

[FailureMidgard]

I'm not saying that someone that has a relic shouldn't buy one cause obviously they got a relic they have the money. I am saying that some people don't want to go out and buy it but instead would rather wait to get it from Einherjar which isn't always easy considering one's luck/linkshell. Which is why trashing someone for not having it when they are doing everything else correctly (obviously not in the case of the drk that sparked this conversation but other apoc drks) is silly which is what I thought this entire argument was about.

That is very very very rarely the case.

[Tsuko_Asura]

If I wanted to buy one, I'd have to devote a lot of time just to nailing down the spawn time on Fafnir, then there'd be extensive negotiations with whichever LS eventually claimed Nidhogg that would no doubt want a quarter the cost of my relic weapon, then I'd have to hope the thing dropped. Or I could try to suffer yet another fail Einherjar 'shell. Like it or not, relic weapons are "easy," because practically any moronic LS can handle Dynamis with the possible exception of the Animated Weapons. Should the idiot have at least a Haubergeon (ideally HQ, since it's not that pricey these days)? Yeah. But you've been arguing about Adaman Hauberk, which is a whole lot of headache for someone who isn't part of X or Y linkshell. Your opinions about who should get an item based on what job they're forced to play for Einherjar are just as bad, but pretty typical of the twisted point-of-view from which you argue.

What I can't fathom is why your gear is crap (by your own admission) if you know all these never-fail methods of getting really good gear and have been playing as long and consistently as you have. I mean, practice what you preach, right, especially when you preach perfection. Or do we need to resurrect the tired old claims about "skill" trumping gear? I'm pretty sure that argument would fly as well as a lead duck around here.

First of all, you tremendously overestimate what goes into buying an abjuration. My most recent HNM LS went to the Aery for the sole purpose of selling whatever drops, and the process isn't nearly as complicated as you think. And as far as windows go, the search function goes a long way. Its not as if you have to sit there and wait for it to pop.

Second of all, my gear more than gets the job done, its just completely devoid of anything shiny. And for the sake of reiteration, I specifically stated that I care about gearing intelligently, not perfectly.

[Devdas]

That is very very very rarely the case.

Well from what I read the last few pages were about Einherjar and getting E. Body from Einherjar if you aren't in an HNMLS and I included that it could be a problem with lower number shells and shitty lucky in mobs, so maybe I missed something here.

[Fiendishone]

Sanosuke - Death Penalty - Asura

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I must point out the pants. That is all.

Also, let em know sea obi's for day/weather affect QD damage as well. Was never a fan of the scouter's rope personally. But to each their own.

[Sanosuke9]

I must point out the pants. That is all.

Also, let em know sea obi's for day/weather affect QD damage as well. Was never a fan of the scouter's rope personally. But to each their own.

If only I could wear all my gear in one screenshot...

Yes I use obi's but at the time im not really QDing anything I'm just collecting the mythic.

Pants is MAB+4 MAC+4 and AGI+2 which is better than using Nimue in my experience when your on Wyrms like timmy and vrtra.

As for set? Its not a particular set on. I have all ele obi's, agi earring, acp body, rse feet, ugg pendant.. but like i said cant fit it all in one picture!

Also staff? Why would I not be wearing a element staff? Cant see why I would pass on a 15% boost in QD dmg and Acc, maybe I'm crazy.

[jimbobsonofgod]

pants could be +4 mab + 10% magic crit damage / +4 macc?
and what about Shots durning light day / dark day cause dark and light obis really help punch out the damage on light and dark shots ?

[NynJa]

wtf why isnt your skadi set whiteboxed? fucking gimp. ::trollface::

[Carrilei]

I don't know what "having to be a fan" of Scouter's Rope has to do with it. If you don't have a Moblin Cest or whatever the hell else they've added with MaB, you should be using Scouter's when an obi isn't applicable.

If you take what Jem said as true, and the Tassets are augmented for QD, it's fine. Would be nice to see an actual gear set on a relic screenshot instead of trying to diagnose what the fuck is happening, though.

[boo]

I must point out the pants. That is all.　

Ironically, it came from a guy who posted his DP with 2 agi+4 ring on.