Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Dooom]

I'd guess Cassie.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Haven't looked at the goings on of great katanas these days, is that even remotely optimal?

[Maxwell]

If Tachi: Fudo is any good, that GK is beastly incredible. His LS much have been doing nothing but farming those KIs and popping that NM for him for the last week. Jesus.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Hot damn, didn't know the base damage was so high in comparison to other GKT. What's Amano's Lv.85 base damage? If its any less, and Fudo is comparable to Kaiten.. Holy shit O_o

[Aurara]

Amano base dmg at 85 is 108 lol

[Maxwell]

Hot damn, didn't know the base damage was so high in comparison to other GKT. What's Amano's Lv.85 base damage? If its any less, and Fudo is comparable to Kaiten.. Holy shit O_o

Same base damage.

So it's:

30 acc, 2.5x procs, and Tachi: Kaiten

Vs:

10 str, Tachi: Fudo, and I'd wager 40% ODD.

Looks to me like Amano got it's ass handed to it if Fudo is anything close to Kaiten/Gekko in damage.

[Odin'sLaw]

Same base damage.

So it's:

30 acc, 2.5x procs, and Tachi: Kaiten

Vs:

10 str, Tachi: Fudo, and I'd wager 40% ODD.

Looks to me like Amano got it's ass handed to it if Fudo is anything close to Kaiten/Gekko in damage.

since he's jp we'll have to wait till a NA or EU gives us more details but if the aftermath stays for 1 min and stacks with weaponskills....wow satan wants his demonicness back

[Clash Perez]

since he's jp we'll have to wait till a NA or EU gives us more details but if the aftermath stays for 1 min and stacks with weaponskills....wow satan wants his demonicness back

While it's admittedly a stretched correlation, the magnus weapons don't activate on WS, so I'd wager the weaponskills aren't doubled either.

[ronin sparthos]

Don't really see how Tachi: Fudo can be bad given its description and the same would go for Blade: Hi.

[|Heretic|]

I don't want to post another screenie of me, but I just finished getting this today:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../Yagrush80.png

I been trying to figure out what the heck "Enhances Divine Benison" does exactly. I did a few tests using "Erase" as 85whm/42 rdm, recast times were according to menu and not plugin:

Naked: 10 second recast
Yag Only: 10 second recast
AF3+1 Pants (Benison +1): 10 second recast
Yag + AF3+1 pants: 9 second recast

Would there any better way for me to test this effect? Nothing really special here compared to the 75 version and without the pants I would notice no difference at all (in regards to recast anyway, I don't know where to start with testing if there is a -enmity difference). Here's to hoping "Enhances Divine Benison II" does something more noticeable ~_~

[FailureMidgard]

If Tachi: Fudo is any good, that GK is beastly incredible. His LS much have been doing nothing but farming those KIs and popping that NM for him for the last week. Jesus.

Takes 2 people to farm the pops for that NM easily. Drops 1.5 per kill, need tons of kills for AF3+2. Can kill the NM itself easily with 3 (maybe 2, no idea on rage timer, etc) in <20minutes. I've seen 15 of them hit the ground roughly. Only hard part is Carabosse.

Same base damage.

So it's:

30 acc, 2.5x procs, and Tachi: Kaiten

Vs:

10 str, Tachi: Fudo, and I'd wager 40% ODD.

Looks to me like Amano got it's ass handed to it if Fudo is anything close to Kaiten/Gekko in damage.

Left off 7storetp, really nice for 5hit (which with all the new gear, 6hit is obsolete/gimp, though obviously everyone doesn't have it all yet). You're also basing your procrate on nothing at all. Mythic took 300TP to get that much OAT, this AM is at 100%, reason stands to say it'll be lower than that, who knows though. Also, if Fudo is attack-required, the weapon loses a lot more than Amano vs harder mobs (not to mention the acc is better there).

Also, how in the world can you make a statement of "close to Kaiten/Gekko". They are nowhere near each other. It's like saying "300 is a really big number if it's anywhere close to 250 or 800". Wat? I really don't see Fudo being anywhere close to Kaiten...

Spolier>Cropping.

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[Onorgul]

Also, if Fudo is attack-required, the weapon loses a lot more than Amano vs harder mobs (not to mention the acc is better there).

I do not see how this is true. Accuracy during TP phase, sure, but for Tachi: Fudo? I am not seeing the advantage that Amanomurakumo nor Tachi: Kaiten get.

[gilgam]

only 3k Kaiten? wow gimp.
Fudo did 3~5k on IT mobs.
too bad Amano "was" good, now Masamune beat Relic GK.

[FailureMidgard]

I do not see how this is true. Accuracy during TP phase, sure, but for Tachi: Fudo? I am not seeing the advantage that Amanomurakumo nor Tachi: Kaiten get.

Point is if something has high enough defense that Kaiten is bad, you're probably not accuracy capped without either Pizza or more accuracy on gear (or a relic). Ya, for Ein and Dyna, who gives a fuck...my main point is something that has really high defense - gekko beats kaiten. If this is true for fudo, you lose the AM, which is a pretty huge loss. And vs MOST these types of mobs, you need accuracy, that is all.

only 3k Kaiten? wow gimp.
Fudo did 3~5k on IT mobs.
too bad Amano "was" good, now Masamune beat Relic GK.

Are you a troll? Or are you talking in Abyssea with +120str and drinks? Would be nice to see some real info on the WS tho...

[Maxwell]

All I see is an Amano QQing honestly, but have fun with your trials.

And for the record, I didn't state that stage 2 Masamune was hard to get, but it is still impressive to do in such a short time, we're sitting on about 20 lanterns ourself and havent been solely targeting that NM. You're not enlightening anyone by pointing out that Masamune is the easiest empyrean to get, or that the Orobon drops other useful items.

You're also reaching very hard in trying to downplay a weapon that looks to outpace Amano in a lot of situations. It isnt illogical to assume 40% proc rate on double damage, it IS illogical to say that hypothesis is "unfounded". uMad.

[Shenrien]

can the Occ. 2x damage stack ontop of Fudo's forced 2x damage?!

[FailureMidgard]

All I see is an Amano QQing honestly, but have fun with your trials.

How am I qqing? If it's better, I'll gladly admit it's better, all I see is you spouting bullshit (like with your testing on Unkai Haidate +2). Are you bitter I'm calling you out on saying you're wrong about assumptions on getting the items for Masamune? Or mad I'm saying you're making shit up with no basis in fact or math?

As I said, some real information would be nice (you know, so I can decide if it's actually better and I need to go get one because it's not really that hard to get at all).

[avelle]

All I see is an Amano QQing honestly, but have fun with your trials.

And for the record, I didn't state that stage 2 Masamune was hard to get, but it is still impressive to do in such a short time, we're sitting on about 20 lanterns ourself and havent been solely targeting that NM. You're not enlightening anyone by pointing out that Masamune is the easiest empyrean to get, or that the Orobon drops other useful items.

You're also reaching very hard in trying to downplay a weapon that looks to outpace Amano in a lot of situations. It isnt illogical to assume 40% proc rate on double damage, it IS illogical to say that hypothesis is "unfounded". uMad.

I see you're new around here. You might want to try to pick your fights a little more carefully before he buries you in math.

[Maxwell]

Awful early to come dickride your LS leader Avelle.

I didn't make any assumptions about items for Masamune Failure. You did.

I said it was impressive to get it so fast (it is). That's it. If you're going to assume that I somehow am ignorant of the minimal pops it requires or the easiness that the NM is killed, then you're deluding yourself.

You came in here lecturing everyone about how it isn't really an accomplishment, then went into your soapbox about how Amano is actually better, posting a SS of a good damage Kaiten, and I called you on the QQing it appeared to be.

With our current results on ODD rates, it is logical to assume 40%, but neither of us know. You're just as wrong for assuming other wise, and so far that would be the safest bet for the right answer.

And yes, it appears that "umad", because you're always the first person to post in a thread about how someone else's accomplishment isn't really that big a deal. So get off your high horse and stop pretending everyone else in the game is beneath you. The only people that think you're special are the few in your LS that follow you around +1ing your posts.

Anyways, I'm not going to get dragged into an argument with you 2 and whoever else from your LS wants to tag team. I'd actually be interested in any math you want to post on Amano vs Masamune (if unbiased). I'd just prefer you leave your standard "everyone else sux but me" that seems to follow every post you make. You can post helpful information without insulting people or belittling their accomplishment, I PROMISE you can.

[Eleven19]

I admit, I'd be pretty disappointed if Masamune turned out to be better than Amano in many situations. On the bright side however, I've a weapon that post trials, is +30 accuracy, occ 2.5x dmg proc, and a weaponskill that utterly decimates anything that isn't IT+++. Not to mention the highest raw DPS, even if only by a bit now.

Congrats on Masamune, shit looks awesome, and that WS is sexy. I'll keep my baby, though.

edit- Just broke into triple digits on trial #2. Ugh, if I wasn't such a procrastinator...