Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[FailureMidgard]

If Tachi: Fudo is any good, that GK is beastly incredible. His LS much have been doing nothing but farming those KIs and popping that NM for him for the last week. Jesus.

I didn't make any assumptions about items for Masamune Failure. You did.

How is that not an assumption? How is that saying it's impressive? Sorry if I took your comment the wrong way and you were saying "wow grats man that's a serious accomplishment to get it so fast". I took it as "wow, another asshole MUST have abused his LS to get that so fast".

I said it was impressive to get it so fast (it is). That's it. If you're going to assume that I somehow am ignorant of the minimal pops it requires or the easiness that the NM is killed, then you're deluding yourself.

Your language suggests otherwise, my bad. It is impressive, and it's definitely dedicated, but in no way does it take an LS farming for you like you (didn't imply) specifically said.

You came in here lecturing everyone about how it isn't really an accomplishment, then went into your soapbox about how Amano is actually better, posting a SS of a good damage Kaiten, and I called you on the QQing it appeared to be.

No, I really didn't, I called you wrong on your quite specific statement. It is an accomplishment. And yea, I later said it's not that hard to get, especially the new items. Carabosse is gonna be a bitch, but it's far easier to get than an Amano, especially a lvl 85 one (which I'm still lacking if you'd like to call me a gimp). In fact, I think it'd be easier to get than just doing trials from 75>85 relic, but that's neither here nor there, and not worth debating.

With our current results on ODD rates, it is logical to assume 40%, but neither of us know. You're just as wrong for assuming other wise, and so far that would be the safest bet for the right answer.

Wait, I'm wrong for saying you shouldn't throw #s out there and pointing out a logical reason that could make one think it's lower? Awesome. The right answer must be to agree with you. My stance on this, if you're too dense to understand, is there is no reason at all to assume 40% (or any other number) and for every argument you can give that makes 40% "logical" I can give another argument that makes another # "logical".

And yes, it appears that "umad", because you're always the first person to post in a thread about how someone else's accomplishment isn't really that big a deal. So get off your high horse and stop pretending everyone else in the game is beneath you. The only people that think you're special are the few in your LS that follow you around +1ing your posts

I've never said anyone is beneath me. I don't think I'm special, and neither do my friends (you know what friends are? They post because they are my friends, not because they think I'm super special). Tip: Nobody is special because of what they do in an MMO. Ya, it's ok to be proud of a personal accomplishment and the like, but we are all (you and I too) some random people in an internet game that in the large picture doesn't matter. I'm sure you know all this, but just because a friend of mine came and posted, don't sit here and think that he or I think I'm special and he's dickriding me. We've been friends for 6 fucking years, and you keep assuming the most idiotic things.
Really, 'grats to the guy. Grats to people that complete mythics, or other relics. But if I come in here and say an Amano will outdamage a Gutler, it's not fucking because I think I'm better than anyone, it's just a goddamn true statement about the game. Also, note this shit has been posted for a long time, and I didn't respond until some ignorant retard came in and started posting bullshit.

Edit:

Anyways, I'm not going to get dragged into an argument with you 2 and whoever else from your LS wants to tag team. I'd actually be interested in any math you want to post on Amano vs Masamune (if unbiased). I'd just prefer you leave your standard "everyone else sux but me" that seems to follow every post you make. You can post helpful information without insulting people or belittling their accomplishment, I PROMISE you can.

I'd love to, but starting out with baseless assumptions is a terrible way to go about doing things, and it's how wrong information spreads quickly. And sorry you take my posts that way, that's not how they are meant, but I'll admit I don't try to sugar-coat anything, ever. I'm blunt and to the point, and furthermore base my decisions in game on what is actually better. -YOU- are trying to add a personal element to my posts that doesn't exist. It's only "personal" because I follow my own advice/logic, and so you sit here and think I'm arguing that I'm the greatest - trust me, I realize I'm not. If you'd like a 2-3 page essay on my flaws in regards to FFXI, I could definitely do it.

As a side note, (this part is my personal opinion) as an Amano holder, the only reason I'd be upset if Masamune beat Amano was due to them leading me on for the 2 prior patches with a good 6000 kills on shitty mobs. If they wanted to obsolete Amano, they should have phased it out and not wasted my fucking time. I also will very likely try to complete a Masamune if it is better than Amano...

[Salodin]

Wow, you serious? Take a chill pill =\

[Onorgul]

Point is if something has high enough defense that Kaiten is bad, you're probably not accuracy capped without either Pizza or more accuracy on gear (or a relic). Ya, for Ein and Dyna, who gives a fuck...my main point is something that has really high defense - gekko beats kaiten. If this is true for fudo, you lose the AM, which is a pretty huge loss. And vs MOST these types of mobs, you need accuracy, that is all.

Ok, your point regarding using Tachi: Fudo and its Aftermath instead of Gekko holds true (though.. what is that high in Defense right now?), but your point on Accuracy intrigues me. I seem to recall someone with a name identical to yours telling me just a week or so ago that the -30 Accuracy from Varangian Helm and Heafoc Mitts was a non-issue for landing Double Attacks on weaponskills. So which is it, 30 Accuracy matters or 30 Accuracy doesn't matter? And let's actually go ahead and return to my parenthetical question: what the hell has such high Defense? Or Evasion?

[avelle]

Awful early to come dickride your LS leader Avelle.

My post has less to do with "dickriding" my LS leader and more of just saying you're arguing with the wrong person when it comes to Sam shit. But hey, don't let me stop you, enjoy getting tldr'd for the next page and a half only to find out you're ultimately wrong.

[FailureMidgard]

Ok, your point regarding using Tachi: Fudo and its Aftermath instead of Gekko holds true (though.. what is that high in Defense right now?), but your point on Accuracy intrigues me. I seem to recall someone with a name identical to yours telling me just a week or so ago that the -30 Accuracy from Varangian Helm and Heafoc Mitts was a non-issue for landing Double Attacks on weaponskills. So which is it, 30 Accuracy matters or 30 Accuracy doesn't matter? And let's actually go ahead and return to my parenthetical question: what the hell has such high Defense? Or Evasion?

I was more referring to general stuff in that post. Like exping/farming time/gold chests. On some higher level NMs, the accuracy on a DAd hit (or TP phase) can definitely be an issue. Sorry if you specifically meant NMs back then, or if I was vague. Any time you're using a full haste + no acc food set though, you shouldn't need that extra accuracy. Right now I'm just saying there are times that accuracy is uncapped using that stuff, where Amano will get a boost. This is obviously not true at normal exp camps. As for what that's the case for, I've hardly played sam since 85 cap. I hit 85, have done some trials, and have been farming my AF3+2 stuff on rdm/nin usually...ended up tanking a lot of NMs as mnk/nin just cause of the exp party I was in prior to popping them (with excess time), so I can't give you a lot of specifics now. At 80, tons of things including Ruminator, multiple T3 MMM NMs, Ovni IIRC, Odin, Carabosse/Briareus IIRC (only fought em 1-2 times tho). A -lot- of NMs end up with Gekko outperforming Kaiten though, due to their defense.

[Odin'sLaw]

Since doing the Quotes would use half a page simple reply for maxwell and Failure

your both awesome posters and for the most part Failure does have the aura of "i own you suck i'm big your small" even if he's not trying to

and yes getting that trail done in less the 2 weeks is mind blowingly awesome, but i thik alot of people read things with an Aggresive state of mind, since Interwebs does not include tone

but once again, wow grats

p.s isn't tachi butterflies mod chr? O.o whats Fudo's?

[EjinCaitsith]

only 3k Kaiten? wow gimp.
Fudo did 3~5k on IT mobs.
too bad Amano "was" good, now Masamune beat Relic GK.

POIDH. The only pic i have seen of fudo was 3K on lesser outside of WG, and the guy said his avg on IT abyssea mobs was 1400, which is pretty terrible compared to kaiten.

[Hyriu]

Since doing the Quotes would use half a page simple reply for maxwell and Failure

your both awesome posters and for the most part Failure does have the aura of "i own you suck i'm big your small" even if he's not trying to

and yes getting that trail done in less the 2 weeks is mind blowingly awesome, but i thik alot of people read things with an Aggresive state of mind, since Interwebs does not include tone

but once again, wow grats

p.s isn't tachi butterflies mod chr? O.o whats Fudo's?

Tachi: butterflies is Tachi: Ageha

[NynJa]

inb4 blabla hater etc etc
Umekiyo is a really bad player >.> He just has this dumbfound talent to abuse the shit out of people to get what he wants. "I get dibs on everything for me and my mule, and if you're lucky some scraps will drop you can take".

I made the mistake of joining one of his abyssea "xp" runs (aka: "come get me pop items"). Even though I have the means to xp afk, I just upped and left when I realized a very poorly geared drg/whm was in the 2bard party whereas a mandau thief got stuck in a party consisting of NIN NIN BLU BLU afkRDM.

[gilgam]

POIDH. The only pic i have seen of fudo was 3K on lesser outside of WG, and the guy said his avg on IT abyssea mobs was 1400, which is pretty terrible compared to kaiten.

do you know Masamune has Aftermath?
aftermath proc WSs....yes, double dmg..
here is SS http://minus-k.com/nejitsu/loader/up69043.jpg
Masamune>>>>>>>>>>Amanomurakumo it is.

[Odin'sLaw]

Tachi: butterflies is Tachi: Ageha

lol re-read wasn't what i asked

[EjinCaitsith]

Briareus dmg isn't as impressive as you think it is. I did this at level 80 with only 1 Str atma(Stout Arm) /nin no minuets, yellow curry as food.

Spoiler: show

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...tos/gekko4.png

Can someone who isn't a complete moron who thinks he's hot shit, that will never own either of these weapons, please post some solid info on this weapon, like proc rate on ODD, ect.

[Jex]

Failure is an ass but he usually knows what hes talking about...

[Cutriss]

Can someone who isn't a complete moron who thinks he's hot shit, that will never own either of these weapons, please post some solid info on this weapon, like proc rate on ODD, ect.

Fucking terrible grammar aside, there is only one of these completed weapons known to be in existence. Hold your fucking horses.

[Maxwell]

Stupid arguing aside, if the aftermath ODD actually does proc on WS, it swings things heavily in favor of Masamune.

I can't really build a proper DPS spreadsheet for Masamune vs. Amano without knowing Fudo's Modifiers, but if those SSs are to be believed, Masamune wins in DoT and WS.

Relic 2.5 procs can be calculated as +10% DoT.

Masamune ODD @ 40% proc rate is 40% DoT increase.

Assuming you can keep aftermath up full time and it does indeed proc on WS, it destroys Amano there as well.

Amano still has double light SC properties and +30 acc, but jesus, I wonder what the other Empyrean weapons are like.

[Hyriu]

lol re-read wasn't what i asked

Oops, idk how I made that out >_>

[Kalasin]

-Almost- everyone who posted in favor for Amano got the points that actually matter, and -most- of the ones posting in favor of Masamune have never seen or played with an Amano that wasn't complete shit. 2.5k on Briareus does not speak in favor of Masamune, it simply shows that it can reach Amano damage at times, nor is a 5k WS on a too weak mob. Depending on it's mods a WS can do a fuck ton of damage (something something Slugwinder) on lower level mobs.

And let's not forget, those WS are WS that were done once, I could show you a 2.2k Gekko on Carabosse and say that's the normal damage from me, but it isn't(as Amano with DMG+2 augment only back then). I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say.

[Maxwell]

All this is really conjecture until we get some modifiers and actual numbers. I could care less which weapon people "think" is better, I want some data.

[FailureMidgard]

All this is really conjecture until we get some modifiers and actual numbers. I could care less which weapon people "think" is better, I want some data.

I fully agree with this, but the thing is - you're the one tossing out the most conjecture here.

[Darkmagi]

Minor nitpicking, but Great wasp is an Abyssea mob so was more than likely VT-IT. Epeen shots are nice, but we need some actual data/testing.