Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Malacite]

Yeah Ken actually seems to be getting buffed more than Spharai (then again, I've found the mythics seem to be getting better buffs overall compared to relics).

Nirvana, Kenkonken & Yagrush are still definitely worth getting, Carnwhenhan too if you're that crazy about BRD though it's still not as good as the other 3. COR is really up in the air as the QD mod is kind of nice, but the Empyrean Gun is just insane for damage and only stands to get even better.

I'm just wondering what SE is going to do with the mage weapons this time. Really not interested in seeing more Mjollnir/Claustrum type weapons, and in fact it'd be great if the Staff split off into separate paths with buffs unique to BLM SMN & SCH. Is it really asking too much for Empyrean Staff for BLM & SCH to be rainbow staves? Perhaps with BLM getting more MAB and SCH more MACC?

I doubt they'd do more -perp since that would just neuter Nirvana, but it's not totally unreasonable I think to expect some kind of massive buff to blood pacts from it.

[Yugl]

I'm just wondering what SE is going to do with the mage weapons this time. Really not interested in seeing more Mjollnir/Claustrum type weapons, and in fact it'd be great if the Staff split off into separate paths with buffs unique to BLM SMN & SCH. Is it really asking too much for Empyrean Staff for BLM & SCH to be rainbow staves? Perhaps with BLM getting more MAB and SCH more MACC?

I don't say this often, but holyshit, get the fuck out.

[Malacite]

Go screw yourself.

Laevateinn & Tupsimati were both utter fucking failures. Even the level 85 versions are still garbage in the face of HQ staves, never mind the new Magian Elemental Staves. The two hosts @ Vanafest even asked them about a possible prism staff & they're considering it, so why not make it the Empryean? It doesn't have to be a MAB/MACC split, that was just one idea and besides it's not even up to me lol, so settle the fuck down. But it really would be nice to see a straight up magic affinity mod this time that applies to all elements instead of direct MAB increases. Wouldn't kill SE to put Cure Potency on the WHM Club either.

[Atoreis]

I don't say this often, but holyshit, get the fuck out.

Man, I so undertand You :D

[Atoreis]

Go screw yourself.

Laevateinn & Tupsimati were both utter fucking failures. Even the level 85 versions are still garbage in the face of HQ staves, never mind the new Magian Elemental Staves. The two hosts @ Vanafest even asked them about a possible prism staff & they're considering it, so why not make it the Empryean? It doesn't have to be a MAB/MACC split, that was just one idea and besides it's not even up to me lol, so settle the fuck down. But it really would be nice to see a straight up magic affinity mod this time that applies to all elements instead of direct MAB increases. Wouldn't kill SE to put Cure Potency on the WHM Club either.

Main question is why you jumping on 10 threads and in everyone of them you posting something like this " What If ......................................... thats would be great............................ but if ........................... that would be shit..............". We are not SE so we wont answer your stupid "what if" question. Speculating have a sense if its based on something. You also keep asking stupid question like "What back is better x or y?" and dont even mention for what you want those back pieces.

Maybe make some site or blog and post there you wet dreams about what you want in ffxi. Maybe you will be lucky someone will read it and make a comment.

[Yugl]

Go screw yourself.

Laevateinn & Tupsimati were both utter fucking failures. Even the level 85 versions are still garbage in the face of HQ staves, never mind the new Magian Elemental Staves. The two hosts @ Vanafest even asked them about a possible prism staff & they're considering it, so why not make it the Empryean? It doesn't have to be a MAB/MACC split, that was just one idea and besides it's not even up to me lol, so settle the fuck down. But it really would be nice to see a straight up magic affinity mod this time that applies to all elements instead of direct MAB increases. Wouldn't kill SE to put Cure Potency on the WHM Club either.

See, here's the problem with your ambitions and your response to me. First, you want a "rainbow staff"; presumably, this is because you're either gay or want to reduce inventory (Or both). If it is the former, then you're bitching about aesthetics. If it's the latter, I understand that, but then the question arises: Why would you want to save inventory with a single staff then have that single staff break into multiple staffs? Wouldn't that violate the desire for more inventory space? Or perhaps there's something appealing about carrying three staffs (And doing all the work from scratch) as opposed to 8/9 that doesn't apply to carrying one staff instead of three? You figure it out.

Next, I'm not attacking eminent change on the part of SE, so siphoning off the idea of MAB:BLM+MAGICACC:SCH by stating that it's not up to you is futile. I'm attacking your opinion, which you do control (Or not depending on if you're a Stoic!).

[Malacite]

What I meant was why have the one general Empryean for all 3 mages, when each of them functions completely differently? I just don't want to see a repeat of lolClaustrum where all it's really good for is melee DPS. So that's just three separate staves, not 8. Basically just a simple magic affinity clause that covers all 8 elements, but with the effect changing depending on which of the 3 jobs is being applied here.

SE dropped the ball royally with BLM & SCH mythics when they simply added straight up MAB, as the affinity staves all add MAB by a percentile modifier as opposed to a direct, flat boost and thus get outstripped the higher your native MAB gets.

It'd be a nice alternative to simply spamming the crap out of each of the magian trial staves to optimize each element. It's not hard to differentiate it with SMN as you can just tack on pet mods and you're good to go, but with BLM & SCH the line blurs a bit due to the overlapping of roles. Like, some kind of Helix buff maybe, instead of straight up MAB.

[Yugl]

Why do you keep bringing up the problem of existing legend staffs as a point of discussion? That's not what I'm pointing out as a fallacy in your reasoning. I'm saying it's stupid to say three staffs is better than eight, but three staffs is also better than one.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Why would scholar want some super duper macc. staff? Do you even play this game?

[Tortalius]

SCH doesn't want a Macc staff unless they come out with some great Mat+ macc- gear.

We'd like some helix buff/weather buff/some new spell buff on the staff.

I agree with the theory that sch and blm shouldn't be getting identical gear for nuking because then you have 2 jobs fighting for the same slot. The 2 jobs need to be more and more differentiated.

[Malacite]

^ I specifically mentioned a helix buff @ the end of my last post as perhaps someway to differentiate SCH's staff from BLM's. Actually, to that end, it might be neat to see more cumulative magic bonuses on it like on the AF3 pants. SCH is just rather hard to determine what buffs it should receive as it's a multi-purpose caster like RDM.

When SE did Relics, they had no choice but to lump several jobs together on each weapon, otherwise they'd have to create more weapons of the same class for each job that can wield it. But with ToM, you can just have different quests that branch off into different final versions for each job rather than doing a new weapon from scratch. Unless I'm mistaken, last time I checked Mjollnir & Claustrum were not all that popular among relic choices lol.

The update is coming in the next 3~5 weeks, so we'll find out soon enough if they do split at 90+. They could also wait until 99 to do that, but that seems a little too last minute really. I'm starting to wonder like some of the other posters here if SE is saving some kind of epic power up trial for the Relics & Mythics though since the Empryeans are quickly eclipsing them.

[Sho]

I won't lie, I like Malacite's idea on Empreyan's splitting off into multiple paths. However, something so simple and amazing is beyond SE's mindset.

[BerenTebogo]

First time I come in advanced in months and the first thing I see is ninjutsu-nuke boy shitting up EVERYTHING. Augh.

[BerenTebogo]

First time I come in advanced in months and the first thing I see is ninjutsu-nuke boy shitting up EVERYTHING. Augh.

[Virg]

First time I come in advanced in months and the first thing I see is ninjutsu-nuke boy shitting up EVERYTHING. Augh.

Oh how I´ve missed you in here.

[Zag]

First time I come in advanced in months and the first thing I see is ninjutsu-nuke boy shitting up EVERYTHING. Augh.

Lol!

presumably, this is because you're either gay or want to reduce inventory (Or both). If it is the former, then you're bitching about aesthetics.

FUCKING LOL!!!!!!!!!!








Sorry I had to. Malacite always shits up whitegate on my server with "what if this weapon or job does this theories" and "omg they need to add level 4 skillchains cause skillchains are so epic and amano can do inifinite level 2 skillchains!" And the more popular one.... "I want an a masamune but its too hard to get wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

[Humblejoe]

Saaaaath! Welcome back!

[Atoreis]

Lol!



FUCKING LOL!!!!!!!!!!








Sorry I had to. Malacite always shits up whitegate on my server with "what if this weapon or job does this theories" and "omg they need to add level 4 skillchains cause skillchains are so epic and amano can do inifinite level 2 skillchains!" And the more popular one.... "I want an a masamune but its too hard to get wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

How old is Malacite? Maybe he is about 15. That would explain many things.

[Malacite]

24, kiss my ass

Zag shows himself for the moron he is once again ^^

- A lot of people like to speculate on things, it keeps stuff interesting.
- Cosmic Elucidation is epic
- People are still underestimating the power of consecutive skillchains, the math doesn't lie. The problem is they still get resisted too much.
- Uh, I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one looking at Empyreans pre-Scars and thinking "No one's gonna have these for a long time". Scars changed all that.

So grow up, and quit acting like a moron.

[Eleven19]

- People are still underestimating the power of consecutive skillchains, the math doesn't lie. The problem is they still get resisted too much..

Sooo... they would be a better style of play if they didn't get resisted?
But they're resisted too much?
So... why bother lol?

Also wb Sath, we missed you. I caved and I'm @1347 on Amano 4th set.