Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Thorny]

So you're gimps and you're upset that carabosse is still hard for you at 85. That doesn't mean the rest of us weren't skullfucking it at 80.

[Atoreis]

So you're gimps and you're upset that carabosse is still hard for you at 85. That doesn't mean the rest of us weren't skullfucking it at 80.

Nice try to reversal what I wrote. Im saying even that my MDT is gimped or my friend's sub is gimped or our mule is gimped we still didnt wipe to single Carabosse and I bet we would at 80 which means its easier now.

[FailureMidgard]

I did all 50 gems on brd rdm nin and belive me or not but carabosse can do following things:
a) mute you then go winter and cast Aero V 2 times in a row before mute wears off
b) dispalga all buffs and go winter and cast Aero V before stun wears off (If she goes from summer to mage phase she has recast up and start to cast immidietly
c) she can dispel shadows by going to winter and cast Aero V before stun wears off (even with addle)

Rdm recasts shell as soon as winter goes off (and you should be full HP or close already anyway), so dispel doesn't matter. I've finished my Masamune + helped people with more Carabosses since then, I realize what she can do, and I have died once while trying to lowman it, at which point the rdm kited it around the lake while I HPed and ran back, with absolutely no risk at all to himself, OH NOES. I honestly hardly believe the Aero5 before stun wears off, but it shouldn't kill ya anyway.

Aero V was doing 2300 dmg to me with shell IV and 7% mdt (yeha I know its low but I'm woking on it with capped mdt it would make around 1600. Whats the taru NIN hp w/o atma and 2/4 abyssite?

Ya sure...that isn't even a risk of death. I think I'm around 2300 without HP atma...maybe 2200, on Sam...if we wanna use a mnk for safety, shouldn't even be an issue at all..

Sometimes carabosse can ba a REAL bitch too and just spawn as some super boosted NM. I got that 3 times on 50 gems. She was hitting me with every single Lethe and zephyr arrow. HAd some insane accuracy while summer. Was doing turmoil turmoil torrent torrent -> winter ga III ga III. All that in less then a minute with 75% acc on normal hits. I am sure that w/o being a galka with 8/8 hp and SS atma I would die at some point at this combo. RDM with MM needed to convert from back to back buffs + healing. Normally one set of 4 shadows was enough for 2-3 min (beside when wiped by -ga) and her accuracy was below 10% (yes I know 20% is minimum but she was below 10%) and lethe and zephyr was missing like shit. I'm sure very good equipped NIN even Taru with perfect MDT or betetr perfect wind res set will maybe survive this, but we not talking about its possible or not we talking about its easier or not and it is.

Yes, it is easier, I said this (read my posts). I am in fact mainly commenting on how easy it was at 80 also, and the fact that while it's easier now - the difference in how easy it is now is essentially negligible, and the only reason empyreans sped up was motivation. If they still sucked, there'd prob be no more than 1-2 done, and even if we got 0 changes in abyssea, we'd have the exact same # done - that was my statement.

[FailureMidgard]

Nice try to reversal what I wrote. Im saying even that my MDT is gimped or my friend's sub is gimped or our mule is gimped we still didnt wipe to single Carabosse and I bet we would at 80 which means its easier now.

Sorry, Thorny is right...you're using lack of mdt as a justification for it being hard at 80..when MDT is part of our justification for why it wasn't hard at 80.

[Atoreis]

Sorry, Thorny is right...you're using lack of mdt as a justification for it being hard at 80..when MDT is part of our justification for why it wasn't hard at 80.

If something now doesnt require MDT to be completed and it did at 80 then thats mean its easier now
Less requiment is also part of something being easier or harder.

[FailureMidgard]

Yes, it is easier, I said this (read my posts). I am in fact mainly commenting on how easy it was at 80 also, and the fact that while it's easier now - the difference in how easy it is now is essentially negligible, and the only reason empyreans sped up was motivation. If they still sucked, there'd prob be no more than 1-2 done, and even if we got 0 changes in abyssea, we'd have the exact same # done - that was my statement.

If something now doesnt require MDT to be completed and it did at 80 then thats mean its easier now

I'm done replying to you if you seriously can't read. Yes, we all get it, it's fucking easier. As I said, you cannot make a valid argument that Leaping Lizzy isn't easier now. You have higher damage weapons if nothing else, which increases the likelyhood you 1 shot her. Terrible analogy, but calling something easier without quantifying by how much is just stupid. That's my only point, and has been my only point the entire fucking time. I understand English isn't your first language, but c'mon, it's -right- there in front of you. READ.

[Atoreis]

I'm done replying to you if you seriously can't read. Yes, we all get it, it's fucking easier. As I said, you cannot make a valid argument that Leaping Lizzy isn't easier now. You have higher damage weapons if nothing else, which increases the likelyhood you 1 shot her. Terrible analogy, but calling something easier without quantifying by how much is just stupid. That's my only point, and has been my only point the entire fucking time. I understand English isn't your first language, but c'mon, it's -right- there in front of you. READ.

I will pass here because:
1. I like you and I think we are both to stubborn to make discussion like this when little details play main role.
2. Thorny getting angry at me and I'm getting scary he is gonna smash me with his shiny turkeys.
3. Its started from Malacite post ...

[Yugl]

I'm not reading all this garbage, but I'll add to it in three ways:
1. Define what the fuck you want to argue. It's so fucking easy to say "This is X" or "This isn't X", but if you're not going to be explicit about your standards, it's a worthless conversation to begin with.
2. Easy or not, RR redefined the landscape in an especially important way: It made critical hit WSs more fucking boss than ever. As of now, you're a fucking useless melee if you cannot critical hit your WS without SA. Needless to say, the situation was not this exaggerated before RR atma.
3. To suggest that the same number of empyrean weapons would be complete now as before is a strong one for several reasons:
- It suggests you have retroactive psychic knowledge
- The piece independent of how easy NMs are is the psychological element. Namely, if people perceive that it is easier to accomplish (And this might have to do with the changes that scars brought), they are more likely to take on this venture
- Finally, for those taking the inefficient route (Timewise), scars enabled faster stone recovery + sojourn benefits (In addition to other goodies). I suspect that for some individuals doing these weapons, this is a decisive factor. Note that I can make my argument for some individuals where you cannot because you have the obligation of arguing that the number would be the same whereas I have the luxury of killing that statement simply by proving these minor details would have changed the disposition of 1+ individuals completing these weapons.

[Kidnoftle]

3. Its started from Malacite post ...

He has a point. It was doomed from the start.

[Atoreis]

Rdm recasts shell as soon as winter goes off (and you should be full HP or close already anyway), so dispel doesn't matter. I've finished my Masamune + helped people with more Carabosses since then, I realize what she can do, and I have died once while trying to lowman it, at which point the rdm kited it around the lake while I HPed and ran back, with absolutely no risk at all to himself, OH NOES. I honestly hardly believe the Aero5 before stun wears off, but it shouldn't kill ya anyway.



Ya sure...that isn't even a risk of death. I think I'm around 2300 without HP atma...maybe 2200, on Sam...if we wanna use a mnk for safety, shouldn't even be an issue at all..

See this is why we cant understand our points of view. When i lowman Carabosse I take NIN because it has like 10/13 WS that can trigger red !! for KI on Baba and Fly. NIN has one of the lowest hp of all jobs I think its same as RDM as Galka with 8/8 and 3/4 abyssite I have about 2350hp. I would have like 2100 at 80. When i lowman Carabosse I first build time to like 300 min then start to spam it so dieing and HPing would be stupid. You are saying you have 50 stones or more but you also saying thats because of LS event when you build time fast. If you lowman a lot in abyssea you need to care for you TE and stone supply yourself. I wish I could use my WAR to build time, change to NIN for KI farm and then change to MNK to kill NM safer but from what I know there is no Nomad Mog in abyssea. Dont get me wrong tho, Im not whining its hard or something (The hardest part of farming Bria for me now is low drop of triggers for gigas :/). Tbh I wish NMs be more difficult because I do very long sessions usually main part is at night and at Carabosse I found myself falling asleep for 10-30 sec a lot and when she was spamming summer->winter->summer->winter at least I had something to do and that was waking me up a little.

[NynJa]

I take NIN because it has like 10/13 WS that can trigger red !! for KI on Baba and Fly.

I was talking about this with someone earlier, but I only accounted for 8?

seraph strike, cyclone, Energy drain, tachi: Jinpu, tachi: koki, Blade: Ei, Red Lotus, Seraph Blade
they cant use GSD(9), Scythe(10), plm(11) or staff(12+13)


Unless you're including Earth Crusher and Raiden thrust via war SJ skill level and using some all job weapons (ele staff + lolpitchfork?), since ele ws's cant miss...do you use wing for TP in that case?

[Atoreis]

I was talking about this with someone earlier, but I only accounted for 8?

seraph strike, cyclone, Energy drain, tachi: Jinpu, tachi: koki, Blade: Ei, Red Lotus, Seraph Blade
they cant use GSD(9), Scythe(10), plm(11) or staff(12+13)


Unless you're including Earth Crusher and Raiden thrust via war SJ skill level and using some all job weapons (ele staff + lolpitchfork?), since ele ws's cant miss...do you use wing for TP in that case?

Yes, I do earth crusher when RDM has no wing. On easy NMs (easy not to kill but easy to hold ( like no Hate reset tp moves ) or easy to make WS (like no TP and magic spam NM)) I just use stalwart and make TP with 20%-40% accuracy (it not that slow with marches + haste). On hard NMs I make TP on staff on some normal mob and try Earth Crusher on NM as first WS then switch weapons.

Yeah I have 9 not 10 WS on NIN sorry but this Pitchfork idea is worth to check :D

[Massimo]

WAR/SAM is still the clear winner for triggering red, with its 11/13. I don't see why you'd wanna use NIN.

[Thorny]

10/13

[Massimo]

Can get Jinpu with /SAM and merits + hachimaki (or torque)

[Thorny]

That's kinda nifty, didn't think about event GK. Who the fuck is going to waste merits on GK for it though :/

[Massimo]

People who care about WAR \o/

[Tsuko_Asura]

Merits outside of H2H matter atm? :s

[Vincento]

Trolling this topic is redundant at the moment...

[Taint]

Can get Jinpu with /SAM and merits + hachimaki (or torque)

Is there even a GKT WAR can use?