Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Atoreis]

The assumption is most times you use Gekko (aka not in Abyssea ever), it's vs higher level mobs where you may not acc cap as easily (it's rare to be severely lacking in attack while being 100% fine on accuracy). As soon as the 30 accuracy comes into play, Amano beats Masamune.

I was thinking more about 10% chance for 2.5X damage vs nothing since you not using fudo.

[Madeline]

Considering all the bashing of all the relics/mythics in this thread - are any of these still worth making, where you AREN'T gonna get the 3rd degree from people? Like Yoichi or Amano, despite having Masa?

To answer your question, no they're not really worth doing. In my eyes they're tokens for people who want completion/want to say they have everything for a job.

Do what I did, don't give a fuck what anyone thinks. It's your money, use it how you want to. If people want to whine and cry about taking currency out of the game for something they disagree with, should've gotten to it before I did.

tl;dr: People will always have some disagreement no matter what you upgrade. Do what you want. I feel like I've read these same arguments about 10 times in this same thread.

edit: necroquote kinda, missed a page!

[FailureMidgard]

I was thinking more about 10% chance for 2.5X damage vs nothing since you not using fudo.

Sure that helps too, but not using Fudo/Kaiten implies a low-pdif situation, which in term implies a higher WS%split, lowering the value of 2.5x dmg, fwiw. The accuracy is a bigger deal really, when it is in play.

[Blasta]

- First they made relics which are high damage based weapons, even for mages. This I can comprehend and accept on some level, but it obviously causes controversy because some jobs (mages) never had a useful relic.
- Then came the mythics and fixed that problem for WHMs (Yagrush), but f.e. they completely ignored RDM and gave it a Murgleis.
- Now they have added Empyreans that are much easier to get (correct if I'm wrong, I quit before the Emp. updates) and better than some relics.

There's just no logic and never has been. I ended up getting Excal for my RDM in the end and quit after I realized how dumb the WS upgrades were.

Don't hate the players. Hate the game.

[Clash Perez]

Sure that helps too, but not using Fudo/Kaiten implies a low-pdif situation, which in term implies a higher WS%split, lowering the value of 2.5x dmg, fwiw. The accuracy is a bigger deal really, when it is in play.

Has the accuracy bonus for the first hit of a WS been given a value?

[Atoreis]

Has the accuracy bonus for the first hit of a WS been given a value?

Lol seriously?

We talking about overall damage when not using fudo/kaiten but Gekko. Acc about which Failure is talking about is accuracy during TP phase. Lower hit rate = lower damage.

[Michelob]

I was thinking more about 10% chance for 2.5X damage vs nothing since you not using fudo.

That part is just icing on the cake.

[Clash Perez]

Lol seriously?

We talking about overall damage when not using fudo/kaiten but Gekko. Acc about which Failure is talking about is accuracy during TP phase. Lower hit rate = lower damage.

Somehow I got locked into thinking only about Gekko, and didn't consider the bigger picture. Herp.

[Pandum]

yea this is really neo's wife guys

[Nevex]

-
- Then came the mythics and fixed that problem for WHMs (Yagrush), but f.e. they completely ignored RDM and gave it a Murgleis.

Are you implying that RDM ever had any problems? Really?

Also the "removal of curreny/alexandrites from the game" is one of the dumbest arguments I have ever heard.
What about people wasting gil on useless consumables and joke items?
People do what they want with their own game.

[Atoreis]

Are you implying that RDM ever had any problems? Really?

Also the "removal of curreny/alexandrites from the game" is one of the dumbest arguments I have ever heard.
What about people wasting gil on useless consumables and joke items?
People do what they want with their own game.

He was saying that they fixed the problem with relic being melee damage oriented even for mages instead of supporting majority of their activity.

[Limlight]

inside abyssea you can 6 hit with caladbolg easily and not have to use a stupid set up for torcleaver. (plaguebearer or scorpion queen, rr, AoA) I prefer Scorp for the additional 10% crit rate over the DA from plague.

Outside its best to go with a 7 hit so melee phase is a bit closer. (before you factor in Occ. deals double dmg)

two major problems: 1. as previously mentioned the ODD. It really pushes calad ahead by a good margin.

and second. Torcleaver is a good deal stronger than cata, especially outside abyssea. Being able to 5/6 hit apoc helps, but It still falls pretty far behind.

[Jem]

Yeah, I see the issue now. The spreadsheet I was using did not have the ODD factored in for Caladbolg for whatever reason (does for all the other Empyreans though).

[Nameless]

You don't need a stupid set for Torcleaver for 6 hit Caladbolg. All you need is like 28 stp for Torcleaver, which yes, you will need to sacrifice most likely the feet slot (Ace's over whatever) and ring slot (Rajas over either spiral or another tarasoul), but nothing really stupid, just minor tweak. That is obviously assuming you are TPing in 57 stp, which on the other hand, is the primary reason to not go for the 6 hit as you lose about 100 attack under LR, 8% DA, and 4% critical hit rate and about 1.5% haste (assuming using the 2% DA 2% TA pants instead of ace's hose).

[Draylo]

yea this is really neo's wife guys

[Byrthnoth]

Not a picture, but this is pretty notable imop:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...79069927110277

[Atoreis]

Not a picture, but this is pretty notable imop:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...79069927110277

http://static.ffxiah.com/images/ss/m...GN08Gwbj8m.png

[Skylark]

About damn time.

[Xilk]

About damn time.

Lol, I mentioned this in this thread about 2-3 days ago Oh well, guess I didn't link to the pics

[Atoreis]

Lol, I mentioned this in this thread about 2-3 days ago Oh well, guess I didn't link to the pics

Yeah I know pic was just for pic not to announce that Aymur was made ^^