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  1. #9481
    Myr said I should dodge roll
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    Oh I knew it, was just pointing out the fact that DP can ODD as well, Jimbob made it soundlike Emp gun is better because it can ODD and DP couldn't.

  2. #9482
    Very Sexy Nerd
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    If you want to save up to 300 tp... sure.

  3. #9483
    Myr said I should dodge roll
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    Yeah cuz that's so hard to do.

    On a side note, grats Corvi. You're still on stun duty when we gotta get Brytor's horns though!

  4. #9484
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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    I would think if you are waiting for 300 tp every time.... you would be losing a lot of damage from not WSing at 100% TP every time.

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    Myr said I should dodge roll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jornna View Post
    I would think if you are waiting for 300 tp every time.... you would be losing a lot of damage from not WSing at 100% TP every time.
    Not entirely true. Tacticians roll + TP bonus from QD to get the initial 300%tp for longer duration aftermath. Then use triple shot, keep doing qd and you'll get back to 300%tp before the aftermath affect wears off, rinse repeat.

  6. #9486
    King of the Jews
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiendishone View Post
    Oh I knew it, was just pointing out the fact that DP can ODD as well, Jimbob made it soundlike Emp gun is better because it can ODD and DP couldn't.
    Armageddon gets ODD after every ws, granted its only 30 seconds, but its still more often. Also you lose a lot of dmg saving tp to 300%...lol

  7. #9487
    I enjoy tapping my sisters fine ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jornna View Post
    I would think if you are waiting for 300 tp every time.... you would be losing a lot of damage from not WSing at 100% TP every time.
    That's my point. Its not that getting 300 TP is difficult is that you are shitting away the 100+100 WS to get 300 TP. I can't imagine ODD being that good that it makes 1 WS>3WS. Not to mention you're also tied to leaden salute for that 300 TP WS well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiendishone View Post
    Not entirely true. Tacticians roll + TP bonus from QD to get the initial 300%tp for longer duration aftermath. Then use triple shot, keep doing qd and you'll get back to 300%tp before the aftermath affect wears off, rinse repeat.
    Totally missed the point when its not the time wasted its the TP wasted .............................

    (wasted my 1337 post on this)

  8. #9488
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    Unless I'm understanding you wrong, you're saying Leaden twice over wildfire six times is on par with each other?

  9. #9489
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    Saving up to 300 tp works for melee mythics because they get OaT instead of ODD, so the extra swings make up the wasted TP. For cor and rng mythics it isn't worth it, you lose more damage than the ODD aftermath gets you.

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    Just go parse DP against Armageddon, see who wins.

  11. #9491
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacoTaru View Post
    Unless I'm understanding you wrong, you're saying Leaden twice over wildfire six times is on par with each other?
    But DP also has lower delay, and about 16TP per shot, that's probably higher WS frequency and higher /ra DPS than delay 582 gun, especially when triple shot is up, since lower delay gun favors triple shot more.

    If you can reach 5 hit without /SAM on a delay 480 gun, will delay 480 gun actually has higher DOT over time?

    I'd do math, but I'm not entirely sure how much more QD dmg DP can do compare with same lv of Arma.

  12. #9492
    But I don't want my title changed
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    Who cares COR is useless either way

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    But I don't want my title changed
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    Yay grats

  15. #9495
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    Always nice to see another Brav. Grats

  16. #9496
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fievel View Post
    Who cares COR is useless either way
    Someone had to say it Fievel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naratu View Post
    Bravo!

  18. #9498
    Myr said I should dodge roll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fievel View Post
    Who cares COR is useless either way
    Don't make me tell the Mousekewitz family about that thing you did with your tail to that kid last summer. . . . .

  19. #9499
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    Gratz Nara! Now quit skipping school

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelob View Post
    Gratz Nara! Now quit skipping school
    He dropped out to pursue a fulltime ffxi career.

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