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Why 2h weapons are inherently stronger than 1h weapons
STR>attack conversion
DEX>acc conversion
Hasso works only for 2h and as SJ
all 1h weapons are generally dual wielded
no 1h weapon has A+ skill (except pld)
SE has this really stupid habit of doing a buff/nerf to balance shit out, but then keeps going on the same track when what they were trying to buff winds up stronger than what they were trying to balance out.
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2011-09-22 01:32 #9941HABS SUCK!!!!!
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2011-09-22 07:01 #9942MasamuneGuestIf they were all 3x, i think on contrary 1H would be overpowered over over 2H if they had all same proc rate, simply because of DELAY...
Originally Posted by Jem
I'm suspecting also those proc rates/DMGmultipliers being tied with relics delay/baseDMG (and weapon level of course)...
What make me think about this is when comparing current data:
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Actually nvm i'm failing to see any "balancing" pattern (unless procrates were badly tested...). Still posting this maybe someone else will better see than me ?
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2011-09-22 07:28 #9943Relic Horn
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Originally Posted by Masamune
I think you have no idea what are you talking about
I will try to explain it to you in VERY simple example.
You are working in a company and you can get money every day or every week
1. Every day for 100$
2. Every week 700$
You have a chance of random 5% for x2 bonus.
In both cases you will earn exactly the same on average( you will get bonuses on better rate with everyday pay but this bonus will be much smaller)
Only thing that matters is ratio of melee damage vs WS damage
If you have 60% melee damage and 40% WS damage split then 10% for ODD will boost overall damage by 6%.
If you have 80% melee damage and 20% WS damage split then 10% for ODD will boost overall damage by 8%.
If you have 30% melee damage and 70% WS damage split then 10% for ODD will boost overall damage by 3%.
So only thing that matters is exactly this ratio and is your weapon 1h or 2h doesn't mean shit.
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2011-09-22 08:35 #9944Lv.99 Mjollnir
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Thank you! I was gonna post that... :D Originally Posted by Atoreis
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2011-09-22 09:41 #9945Relic Horn
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Always at your service Rya Originally Posted by RyaWHM
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2011-09-22 09:42 #9946HABS SUCK!!!!!
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1 = 365*1.05*100 = 38325 Originally Posted by Atoreis
2 = 52*1.05*700 = 38220
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2011-09-22 09:44 #9947If you stopped to actually learn something you might not post these uninformed posts.
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52*7=364
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2011-09-22 09:46 #9948MasamuneGuest
ok for yur example but i think you actually didnot understand my point, the one from a programming view...
Are SE Devs even using your reasoning with split between dot/WS damage when considering how much dmg multiplier / frequency to put on each relic ? I doubt.
I think they are more probably using a pure math reasoning, or none at all with just arbitrary values(i doubt too). Hence why i m suspecting some pattern...
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2011-09-22 09:52 #9949Claustrum. Really?
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(75 Proc Rate / Proc Damage) * 8 would be roughly correct I think if they were using a formula to work it out. Originally Posted by Masamune
3x Weapons = (5/3) * 8 = 13.33%
2.5x Weapons = (5/2.5) * 8 = 16%
2x Weapons = (5/2) * 8 = 20%
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2011-09-22 09:54 #9950
Yeah, it's probably that. The logic about who-gets-which-proc is vaguely correlated with base damage but not really (hence Gungnir being 2.5 and Bravura being 2).
To put it another way, it's 40%/X, where X is the damage multiplier. So it's the same as having a 20% double damage proc rate all the time.
Mythics did not get another WS damage boost on the 90 version.
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2011-09-22 10:00 #9951MasamuneGuest
Thanks Jem and Byrth, it's what i meant.
The main question i'm wondering tough is... are current data we have (bar base dmg and delays) reliable to base our research on them ? (thinking mostly about the procrate at 75, i remember i made a thread dedicated at collecting those but rceived very low feedbacks)
EDIT: or actually just forget them to just focus on 90 procrates most relic users have?
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2011-09-22 14:17 #9952Bagel
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Just to throw it in here for Spharai:
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Test was done without any DA gear or AF3+2. Subjob was DNC. Atma's used were RR, GH and DD. Target was bunnies in Abyssea Misereuax. Had a few none crit dmg hits, those weren't counted. All hits below 200 dmg in the parse log are kicks (had Usu feet on). So the number of actual fist crits is 1610. With 97 3x dmg crits that makes 97/1610=6~ %. Since I'm fucked with no offhand procs that follows the line of 12% on my main fist that others have been getting for their weapons.
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2011-09-22 16:56 #9953MasamuneGuest
Spharai90 or 95 ?
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2011-09-22 17:18 #9954D. Ring
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2011-09-22 17:58 #9955Bagel
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Seriously?! Why the fuck would I test a lv90 version to see if it follows the pattern of the lv95 reports others were giving? Why would I waste 2 hours of Gears 3 time on that? Or just This post only 5 pages back? C'mon man. Originally Posted by Masamune
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2011-09-22 18:00 #9956New Merits
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Problem with that is that the proc rate is further cut in half on 1H jobs because every 1H weapon save for Excalibur and lolguttler is dual wielded. They should have just increased it to 20% across the board for this reason. Excalibur PLD becoming semi useful won't break anything and solo guttler BSTs doing more damage won't affect anything important. And in a party BST dual wields just like everyone else for the same reason. Originally Posted by Masamune
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2011-09-22 18:33 #9957Fishing Guru
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How dare he miss that screen shot 5 pages ago and ask a simple question. FUCK Originally Posted by Appie
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2011-09-22 20:12 #9958Relic Horn
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Originally Posted by Atomic Skull
Guttler and Exca are 2.5x even that they are 1h weapons.
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2011-09-22 22:57 #9959New Merits
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Then it's even less of an issue. Originally Posted by Atoreis
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2011-09-22 23:24 #9960Cerberus
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Preach it Appie, PREACH IT!!! Originally Posted by Appie
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