Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Kalasin]

I knew ABC would be 5k one day and ppl laughed. I knew one byne bill would drop to 4k and I was right again... until they revamped dynamis. I knew hecates cape would drop to 200k or less from the 5mil price and a bunch of other crap.

ABC aren't 5k on Valefor, more like 7-9k, Bynes never hit 4k, lowest I've ever seen was 6k, and hecates cape was only 200k when the BCNM was open, 1 week later it was way more again, and still is. So uh no, you were not really always right.

If you are only here to cry about how long things take or how everything is a timesink, don't do it. It's that simple.

[Rocl]

man and i thought i was annoyed when i saw the 90 empyrean needed 75 items i can only imagine your face when you saw 1500 plates and the rate at which they were dropping was discovered

[Atoreis]

ABC aren't 5k on Valefor, more like 7-9k, Bynes never hit 4k, lowest I've ever seen was 6k, and hecates cape was only 200k when the BCNM was open, 1 week later it was way more again, and still is. So uh no, you were not really always right.

If you are only here to cry about how long things take or how everything is a timesink, don't do it. It's that simple.

This so much. Many ppl will do it and wont cry at all. MMORPG wont change to action games because ppl have less time. They are made to be time sink. Its also not ppl that have less time but you just grown up. Teenagers that start mmorpgs now like u did many years ago have as much time as you had. Its sad? maybe but none will cry after you.

As for everything going down... Sure you can wait one year to make 95 for less gils or wait for new better equip to buy what is best atm for lowered price. You can act like in real life and try to balance price:quality ratio or you can think "Hmm thats only a game I can buy this 95 Empy now and pay more but enjoy playing it for another few months".

[dasva]

Well it's also dumber to make bigger time sinks when there is soooo much more of the game. It's one thing when that's one of only a small handful of things to do endgame it's another when it's one of a few dozen things you want to do

[Atoreis]

Its not THAT much of a time sink to stop you from everything else lol. Instead of full LS working on one peron relic you can now solo it in 6 months of dynamis (assuming solo with one char). 2h a day wont stop you from other events at all unless you have only 2h a day to play in which case you need to accept you wont be pimped like ppl that can play 4 times more and maybe even ask yourself if MMORPG is really for you.

[lolwut]

Its also not ppl that have less time but you just grown up. Teenagers that start mmorpgs now like u did many years ago have as much time as you had. Its sad? maybe but none will cry after you.

A million times this. The NA pc release was shortly before my 24th birthday (I got it as an early gift from my brother) and I've never had the kind of time to play that a lot of people enjoyed. There was always 40+ hours a week of work/gfs/social life and the rest of the whole mess that people who started playing in high school or college didn't have to deal with. Every year I hear people who just graduated or just got their first real job making the same argument about why the game needs to be toned down or is too much of a time sink, when they're the same people who loved the competitive advantage of being able to play at all hours before.

Welcome to the club, man up, deal with it or find something else to play. This is the game, and there will always be those high school/college kids (or in the case of most of the people I know in game, unemployed 20 somethings who live with momma) who have all the time in the world to invest that are the target market.

[dasva]

Actually my work load has decreased. But the more time sinking you do the less you want to do. And there is way more than enough content now that you don't need to create huge timesinks to keep people interested like it was back in the day

[lolwut]

Actually my work load has decreased. But the more time sinking you do the less you want to do. And there is way more than enough content now that you don't need to create huge timesinks to keep people interested like it was back in the day

I'm not so sure about that. There's more to do, but once people have those rewards they lose incentive to participate in any of it.

I know the majority of my ls does little more than fishbot, dyna, and VW because they're capped on most other gear slots and not interested in adding jobs. I think the most content we did recently outside of the three things mentioned before is near perfectly gear a Ranger because a guy made Annihilator, and that took maybe two or three nights before they went back to the old cycle. If VW drops were as easy as Abyssea drops, we probably wouldn't have that to do anymore either.

Quick edit: I'm not one of those near perfectly geared people, because I typically play 3 times a week for a few hours to do VW. I'm not interested in min/maxing or relics right now, because there's no interesting content to gear for imo. They do it to finish VW slightly faster.

[dasva]

I'm not so sure about that. There's more to do, but once people have those rewards they lose incentive to participate in any of it.

I know the majority of my ls does little more than fishbot, dyna, and VW because they're capped on most other gear slots and not interested in adding jobs. I think the most content we did recently outside of the three things mentioned before is near perfectly gear a Ranger because a guy made Annihilator, and that took maybe two or three nights before they went back to the old cycle. If VW drops were as easy as Abyssea drops, we probably wouldn't have that to do anymore either.

Participate in that particular thing yes. In the game idk about that. Then again I've known people to quit because they finished everything that wasn't a huge time sink and/or required large groups. Luckily right now there are still enough things that can be low manned in reasonable amounts of times to keep me interested.

[Zag]

alot of ppl were coming back soon anyway. There is always the return subscription rush. Ppl wanna try the new nyzul floors, the new dynamis, the new VW NMs but the drops are shit right now and the timesink is so huge on my weapon that me and ALOT of other ppl that had empyreans just dont wanna bother returning now.

I hate being gimp period. There is SO much content in the game right now. The empyrean 85 was easy to get but the time was PERFECT. it wasn't too easy or too hard, it was right in the middle. Since it was in the perfect balance middle Imo, that made us HELP OTHERS which is what an MMO should be and not be SELFISH.

the old dynamis and the new heavy metal plates bring back the SELFISH in people and cause us to use ppl. I loved abyssea because for once, everyone in my entire server got along and helped each other. the entire LS got empyrean weapons cause they werent so IMPOSSIBLE to get and we just broke the dynamis LS instead.

it brings back the selfishness and the RMTs will return too. Its gonna cause drama and fighting over those metal plates. Its just not worth it. The servers will go back to the chaos they were when Apo and Senseofunity MPKed each other over fafnirs and tiamats.

[Colenzo]

alot of ppl were coming back soon anyway. There is always the return subscription rush. Ppl wanna try the new nyzul floors, the new dynamis, the new VW NMs but the drops are shit right now and the timesink is so huge on my weapon that me and ALOT of other ppl that had empyreans just dont wanna bother returning now.

I hate being gimp period. There is SO much content in the game right now. The empyrean 85 was easy to get but the time was PERFECT. it wasn't too easy or too hard, it was right in the middle. Since it was in the perfect balance middle Imo, that made us HELP OTHERS which is what an MMO should be and not be SELFISH.

the old dynamis and the new heavy metal plates bring back the SELFISH in people and cause us to use ppl. I loved abyssea because for once, everyone in my entire server got along and helped each other. the entire LS got empyrean weapons cause they werent so IMPOSSIBLE to get and we just broke the dynamis LS instead.


it brings back the selfishness and the RMTs will return too. Its gonna cause drama and fighting over those metal plates. Its just not worth it. The servers will go back to the chaos they were when Apo and Senseofunity MPKed each other over fafnirs and tiamats.

You have to spend a lot of time playing a game to get the best stuff in the game, its really fucked up concept. I really have no idea why they would do this either. Man, I remember playing this game one time that had really awesome weapons in it but it didn't have people in it. I think it was called Final Fantasy 12. Yeah It was the game that came out just after this one. It had notorious monster hunting and crafting and man you could get the best stuff in that game too if you just grinded a little bit. I think this game would be a lot better if they took the human element out of it. Yeah, just do away with the whole human element and make everything questable. Screw human interaction. If I want to play an MMO I want to play it by myself and I don't want to have to deal with people's stupid shit.

[vagus]

Actually Abyssea turned people greedy. A lot of bigger LS's broke up as people soon discovered that you could obtain top gear (+2 and Emp Weapons) with a small group. There was no need for an alliance of people to obtain items. VW is taking it back to the old days of big alliance events. With many people finishing up with Abyssea, many are seeking big LS's again. You don't need a big LS however, as you can shout to find people to do VW.

[Darkmagi]

It's not that people became greedy, it's that people didn't want to waste a fuckton of extra time when they didn't need to. It's simple logic.

[Kuishen]

It's not that people became greedy, it's that people didn't want to waste a fuckton of extra time when they didn't need to. It's simple logic.

co-signing this.

[Eldelphia]

It's not that people became greedy, it's that people didn't want to waste a fuckton of extra time when they didn't need to. It's simple logic.

I think the point still stands actually. The reason they don't want to waste more time is because they want to get their stuff quicker. However, I don't think that's an enormous issue as they are able to in smaller groups. It's perfectly possible for a larger linkshell to adapt to this, we've done it. Obviously small groups went out and did tons of their own stuff, we just saw it as convenient. The shell set up an Abyssea wishlist system to support its members getting the tougher stuff. Or rather stuff which was tougher back then. We're now starting to move away a little from Aby and more into VW - but because we didn't ignore the changing scene in XI, we still have plenty of members. This leaves us in a good place for VW.

However I'm not sure there's enough in VW that after you've spammed it a few times for bodies that will take us back for 1500 plates. We have multiple empys - a lot of them are just saying screw it.

[Zag]

I think the point still stands actually. The reason they don't want to waste more time is because they want to get their stuff quicker. However, I don't think that's an enormous issue as they are able to in smaller groups. It's perfectly possible for a larger linkshell to adapt to this, we've done it. Obviously small groups went out and did tons of their own stuff, we just saw it as convenient. The shell set up an Abyssea wishlist system to support its members getting the tougher stuff. Or rather stuff which was tougher back then. We're now starting to move away a little from Aby and more into VW - but because we didn't ignore the changing scene in XI, we still have plenty of members. This leaves us in a good place for VW.

However I'm not sure there's enough in VW that after you've spammed it a few times for bodies that will take us back for 1500 plates. We have multiple empys - a lot of them are just saying screw it.

Exactly! There was rewards for an ENTIRE alliance in Abyssea and thats why it owned so much. It was the best thing to ever happen to FF11 even topping my favorite expansion CoP.

Sure 64 ppl can throw bodies at PW back then but he only dropped like 3 items? there is something VERY WRONG with that concept.

In Abyssea, you can throw 18 bodies at the Irongiant NM and all 18 ppl walk out with atma of razed ruins and like 5-6 drops per NM. the NMs also have HIGH drop rates and EASY pop conditions which ensures that all 18 ppl with get something out of it again on the next pop. With the monsters dropping stuff at 100% and dropping 6+ items per NM AND the addition of EVERYONE obtaining atma, the reward to # of players has finally matched up in this game.

EDIT: AF3+2 beat alot of gear by a big margin and would have even been worth a medium grind. The VW gear sucks balls and is obsolete to old AF3+2 gear plus there isn't much drops in VW. Not much "Atma" to go after either. If they add AF3+3 in Voidwatch... Then I will grind that event 500 million times and I won't talk shit about VW anymore.

[Kalasin]

I don't know where you get that 6+ items per mob in Abyssea statement from, unless you count useless synth mats which Voidwatch has got as well.

Your entire last few posts, no matter in which forum, consisted of a whole lot of mad. Again you are complaining about every system except for Abysseas, it won't change anything, accept the way the game has been years ago, accept the way Voidwatch is, or don't play it. If you wanna quit over it, do it, I don't know why you have to tell everyone why you do and when you will do it or when you did it. There's a thread for that as well, post there if that's all you have to say. Saying that using 18 people for an IronGiant mob which drops 6 items(which is wrong) benefits everyone in the long run is true, however can be a huge time sink as well since you do not get the drops you want every time, and in the case of 18 people in the ally you would not be the only one wanting said item. Sounds rather fail to me.

And to your PW aspect, the point of killing PW was to actually kill it back then, and still is. The items were just a bonus you get for killing it. And since you argue in favor of Abyssea and count Atma as a drop, PW has an atma as well.

If the reason you don't do Voidwatch is the fact that the rewards are shit, then don't fucking do the event and stop complaining. Nobody cares whether you think a drop is worth it or not, get over it.

[Kidnoftle]

Actually my work load has decreased. But the more time sinking you do the less you want to do. And there is way more than enough content now that you don't need to create huge timesinks to keep people interested like it was back in the day

This. If you really actually liked FFXI and not just the self-mutilation of grinding then you would have plenty of things to do throughout a moderate gaming period (I assume 4hrs as avg, 2 as low, and 6 as dedicated). Making your whole gaming period be dominated by grinding 1500 plates, 10kajillion currency for all dem relics, etc, is just being hyper-focused on a very small % of the game. It's also just pretty fucking boring. Idk why you would want to spend 6+ hrs a day doing the same thing over and over again with little to no changes. What are you going to do when you finish it? If the answer is grind another, then you should probably just quit, because nothing new is going to really be that interesting.

It's not that people became greedy, it's that people didn't want to waste a fuckton of extra time when they didn't need to. It's simple logic.

As a corollary: The "team mechanics" is the most fraudulent use of the term in reference to this game. Nothing about this game desires team mechanics, just some procs, a mule, and then people to speed up the fights. As a result, it makes perfect fucking sense that people broke apart from group settings to the smallest possible. There is no real worth to extra people being there outside of adjusting drop rates for people, and even then that's an overstatement. It's not necessarily because their greedy (this could be the case, I'm not denying that), but that their presence is basically fucking useless and any time they spend sitting there starting at a mob waiting to use X ability is time wasted. It's time wasted because, even though you are "actively" participating in a fight, you are really doing fucking nothing. It's not even tactical nothing, there is no time frame that one must operate under that requires attention and focus but just a vague, "Oh hey, don't use X while mob is doing Y and you'll be fine."

[Raffi_XI]

Idk why you would want to spend 6+ hrs a day doing the same thing over and over again with little to no changes. What are you going to do when you finish it? If the answer is grind another, then you should probably just quit, because nothing new is going to really be that interesting.

Reminds me a lot of merit bird parties. Main reason we do dynamis is because it actually is fun and relaxing (when there arent 20+ other people in a zone). We also do salvage, einherjar, vwnm, and some abyssea still. I've been trying to get people to do more Brenner but everyone its seemingly a lost cause there

As for abyssea, ls i was in started out with 18+ people when it first came out. We did the whole alliance vs 1 routine for a while. People realized content was getting easier (atma) so we changed routes to alliance vs 3. Each party would farm/do their own thing. We got a lot done, however, people got sick of farming items for retarded people. Eventually the shell broke off into 3 different mini groups. Instead of the groups using same ls as social, each group went off and made their own lowman ls. Shoot forward a year now, vwnm comes out. Low man strategies work to kill but proccing system encourages 2-3 parties. The mini group i went with merged with another mini group. As well as the two other mini groups merged with other mini groups. People are merging small ls's to do this content. Quite the amazing cycle if you really look at it.

[Mrbeansman]

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Friend finally finished.