Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Draginhikari]

And Guttler.... right?

Guttler is good but because it's BST only most people tend to rate it's usefulness much lower then it probably deserves.

But hey I may be biased because I'm still in the middle of working on mine hah.

[shepardG]

I'm curious as to how it will parse at 95. I'm debating which relic i wanna do, but i'm sitting on 14 silver, 68 jades, 50 100 bynes. I was gonna do spahari... then, mandau, then spharai, then thought about a yoichi, then thought about just selling it all, then thought about just waiting, then was like... ya know... BST is sorta cool, and still relatively unique, and Guttler looks ridiculous stat wise, so i'm curious.... curious enough to actually make one?

we'll see lol, i'm still 12 100 pieces away (and a loan) lol

[vagus]

It really just comes down to which job you like to play. If you love bst that much then go for Guttler. Keep in mind the job is already limited in its uses. I love bst and i have farsha and i'm happy with that.

[Foldypaws]

90masa > 95amano unless you are using that 35acc which is right around never on SAM.

How do you figure that?

Kaiten does better damage @ 100 TP. (Kaiten is 3.0 with a 25% boost, for 3.75 effectively, Fudo is 3.65) Both are 60% STR mod. The 15 STR on Masa doesn't make up for the 9 base damage boost on Amano. 3% edge to Amano for WS

Amano has a ~ 17% 2.5 damage rate rather than a 30% 2.x rate, which favors Masa by 6% in TP, taking into account lower base damage.

Assuming a 60/40 WS/TP split (is this right for sam? I don't know), that puts Masa ahead by .5%.

You also can't 2 step light (or darkness) with Fudo, whereas Kasha<-> Kaiten is a self-light. I'm willing to bet you can pull half a % out of that, never mind if you can swap gear to make use of the 7 sTP

tl;dr, I'm pretty sure 95 Amano is no worse than 90 Masa. (95 Masa should win comfortably though.)


This is just back of the envelope shit, I don't play SAM so feel free to inform me of some glaring mistake I'm making.

[Cleverness]

If by 2step you mean self SC, then Fudo -> Fudo is Light. From what I remember reading the difference between the 2 isn't that huge anymore because of the WS buff to Kaiten unless you actually need the 35acc from Amano(Which is maybe a few VW fights only?)

[Foldypaws]

If by 2step you mean self SC, then Fudo -> Fudo is Light.

Oh that's right, I forgot all the Empy WS are weird like that. (Skill chains are not supposed to work that way :E)

Anyway, yeah, point being that a 95 Amano seems roughly the same as a 90 Masa on paper, assuming you aren't using the Acc.

[dasva]

Also if you assume ftp bonus equipment it kinda throws things further in favor of kaiten.

[Atoreis]

Also if you assume ftp bonus equipment it kinda throws things further in favor of Fudo.

ftfy

[dasva]

Your fix isn't true since I said ftp bonus ie elemental belt/gorget not tp bonus. Take that suka!

[Helel]

Oh that's right, I forgot all the Empy WS are weird like that. (Skill chains are not supposed to work that way :E)

Anyway, yeah, point being that a 95 Amano seems roughly the same as a 90 Masa on paper, assuming you aren't using the Acc.

Huh? Empyrean WSs work exactly like Relic WSs... Kaiten > Kaiten is light as well. I think you're trying to say that you can do kasha > kaiten > kaiten for double light, but you can't do fudo > fudo > fudo. But, with the new SC JA, you can do JA > kasha > fudo for double light anyway.

[Rikura]

Unfortunately, WSing @100 TP all the time isn't realistic, especially in Voidwatch. Overflow TP/dusty wings only tip the edge towards Masamune. Needs more relic buffs!

[Foldypaws]

Unfortunately, WSing @100 TP all the time isn't realistic, especially in Voidwatch. Overflow TP/dusty wings only tip the edge towards Masamune. Needs more relic buffs!

It will be interesting to see how things shake out at 99. I'm hoping for more mythic buffs, not just because I'm working towards one, but also because even if they double or triple alex availability, they're still way the fuck harder to get than Relics or Empys.

[Fievel]

And Guttler.... right?

Guttler is the strongest axe for bst, yeah.

How useful bst is though is a whole nother subject

[Roundelk]

How good is Ragnarok now compared to Apoc? I'm pretty sure the high crit rate with 2.5 dmg+ is quite beefy. Is it possible to 5 hit apoc during AM? I know a 7 hit build with Ragnarok is slightly faster than 6 hit for Apoc and I'm also wondering the difference in damage between Scourge and Cata.

[Taint]

How do you figure that?

Kaiten does better damage @ 100 TP. (Kaiten is 3.0 with a 25% boost, for 3.75 effectively, Fudo is 3.65) Both are 60% STR mod. The 15 STR on Masa doesn't make up for the 9 base damage boost on Amano. 3% edge to Amano for WS

Amano has a ~ 17% 2.5 damage rate rather than a 30% 2.x rate, which favors Masa by 6% in TP, taking into account lower base damage.

Assuming a 60/40 WS/TP split (is this right for sam? I don't know), that puts Masa ahead by .5%.

You also can't 2 step light (or darkness) with Fudo, whereas Kasha<-> Kaiten is a self-light. I'm willing to bet you can pull half a % out of that, never mind if you can swap gear to make use of the 7 sTP

tl;dr, I'm pretty sure 95 Amano is no worse than 90 Masa. (95 Masa should win comfortably though.)


This is just back of the envelope shit, I don't play SAM so feel free to inform me of some glaring mistake I'm making.

The biggest difference is its damn near impossible to WS at 100tp consistently with SAM.

Moonshade alone puts you at 125% every WS. DA/TA/QA,Hagakure(100tp bonus),Sekkanoki(100tp bonus),Zanhasso,SaveTP,Meditate all factor into TP overage. Gear swapping for the 7stp nets 17att during TP but you still lose the 15str. The 35acc comes into play very rarely at 95 but even then SAM has 65%+ Zanshin rate for those misses.

[Taint]

How good is Ragnarok now compared to Apoc? I'm pretty sure the high crit rate with 2.5 dmg+ is quite beefy. Is it possible to 5 hit apoc during AM? I know a 7 hit build with Ragnarok is slightly faster than 6 hit for Apoc and I'm also wondering the difference in damage between Scourge and Cata.

Apoc is a top tier weapon at 95. The utility and damage both add a lot to the job. I can safely tank mobs like Qilin even when meds are down and rarely lose hate.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/225765

That is my current 5hit, used mostly for VW.

[Darkmagi]

Although having both sounds like a good idea if you want to put that much effort into drk I'd think. Ragnarok should win on pure damage if you won't be in serious danger of dying no?

[Taint]

Although having both sounds like a good idea if you want to put that much effort into drk I'd think. Ragnarok should win on pure damage if you won't be in serious danger of dying no?

The gear flexibility of Apoc really helps. DRK unlike every other job has to sacrafice a lot to cap gear haste. Your standard 5hit Apoc setup nets close to 40acc over Rag and 75 over Cala or Redemption. The same set also has 5-10 more DA and more STR/DEX. You can also shuffle stats around depending on what your fighting or stay at capped haste in your PDT/MDT sets.

[Nightfyre]

Although having both sounds like a good idea if you want to put that much effort into drk I'd think. Ragnarok should win on pure damage if you won't be in serious danger of dying no?

I'm still revising simulations for 95 (down to adding VW buffs and adjusting Endark), but it's never been ahead by much. 431 delay is fairly inflexible STP-wise compared to 513, though I've got an idea for a build that I want to try out once I've finished the adjustments.

[Atoreis]

Apoc is a top tier weapon at 95. The utility and damage both add a lot to the job. I can safely tank mobs like Qilin even when meds are down and rarely lose hate.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/225765

That is my current 5hit, used mostly for VW.

Wouldnt WSing in hagneia and tyrant be better?

Idk in what ammo you WSing otherwise but I will guess bomb.

Twilight+tyrant+hagneia is STR+15 AGI+11 INT+15 Acc+36 att+22
Armadaberk+spiral+bomb is STR+16 INT+5 Acc+24 Att+40 DA+3%
so
STR+1 DA+3% Att+18 vs AGI+11 INT+10 Acc+12
perhaps Armada when LR down and Twilight when LR up?

That Agi+Int is around 3% increase. DA3% is around 1% increase and 18 att probably make it equal but with stalwart and LR up DRK is sitting on some ridiculous Att (1200-1300 or something). What you think?