Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Kidnoftle]

Not the difficulty ofc but how insignificant it is vs majority of what you doing in game.
There were 3 hard mobs at 75:
Vrtra - semi hard and low rewarding
PW - medium hard and very low rewarding ( body and h2h were ok but nothing special and considering how many ppl that involved most of ppl got nothing but satisfaction and few days of getting exp back lol)
AV - Unkillable beside taking advantage of bugs and exploits. medium rewarding. Items were fine but nothing game breaking. No satisfaction from making a super strategy also because only kills that were done were zergs or cheating.

You want to say me that this game is now super easy compered to 2005 because those 3 mobs existed and were 0.1% part of your endgame?

Are you assuming large groups for everything? Lowmanning relevant content in the "old days" was far harder than it is now. Remember trying to do ein with 6 people? Stuff like that no longer exits, so all we have are big singular fights (VW and Abyssea for the most part). Furthermore, given the proliferation of job versatility I would say in general content is on the whole easier. Prep time for content is still time spent on content, and it was FAR harder back then to assemble "good" groups based on the fuckwads walking around jeuno. The trash of today is infinitely better than the trash of yesterday simply because its just that hard to fuck up most content (obv VW and Abyssea take some amount of braincells but really only needs a single person to know what's going on for the latter); This isn't me bitching or anything, it's just the trend the game has gone towards because its striving to keep old content relevant. If you're going to tell me three 99s in salvage today is just as hard as w/ 6 three years ago, then idkmybffjill.

[Byrthnoth]

The hardest Voidwatch fights are little more than zergs these days, but the number of skilled players playing is at an all-time low (because the number of players is at an all-time low). Forming an alliance of skilled players has never been harder, so I'm somewhat grateful to SE that I never have to do it.

[Rocl]

Vrtra used to make bank, son.

[Colenzo]

you can duo it on beastmaster now lolol

[Atoreis]

Vrtra used to make bank, son.

Assuming someone stole that bank eventually it was pretty good money but if you would split for 18+ ppl involved then it would be weak money.

[Indalecia]

Maybe not hard, but fucking annoying: Yilbegan. cause fuck that guy

[noodles355]

Flux 15 Caturae in WoE. Managed to get it to about 60%~ without Perfect Defence on 2nd try, it's quite a challenge if ffxi is too easy for you.

[Celebrindor]

It seems to me, unless I missed something, that 99% of content is dead within 20seconds or, if it isn't, there are multiple players turned around waiting for procs. As far as legion goes, if its non-proc based and just a killing frenzy then I would have to agree that the absolute most dmg possible out of a class is the best possible thing. As it stands though there is absolutely no reason to make those upgrades above nq tier gear, I mean as far as vw goes you're probably going to bring all the procs you can, people will be turned. So, what am I missing? I'm not knocking top tier gear, I would just say that the time spent to get the gear isn't necessarily as worth it as it may have been in older content (A similar concept as the AH geared vs Top tier gear debates that took place a while back).

havent been reading the flames but looked at this and went "wtf is this shit"

Ig-Alima much?

dont try cos you gotta suck so bad people will kick you out of pt with that attitude

Wow. Just. Wow. Step on over to Levi. Kid has to be one of the more helpful and smart players I've had the luxury of working with since server hopping there over 2 years ago. He's a bit of a smartass at times, but at least a smart smartass :D

Just because people point out a simple fact that DPS isn't as much of a priority as it was when we were fighting off Regen from HNMs and other issues doesn't mean people are letting gearing slide by and accepting it. Its merely pointing out what the game, sadly, has become.

Sorry to shit up the thread, but had to come to the defense of a friend of mine who I've had the luxury of working with for some time. So if you're gonna bust someone for sucking, get some opinions from those at least on the same server.

[bechyni]

Oh bless your heart

[Kidnoftle]

That's true, I had actually completely forgotten about WoE tbh. I'll back my point down then, but I would still say that overall utility of perfect gear has still seen some degradation.

[Flic]

woe is just a pet job feast nowadays including 15 so no, gear dont matter there either.

[Hirronimus]

Gear never mattered. The gear progression only worked backwards. You fought NMs to get gear, only to have to fight newer NMs for "better" gear which would improve your efficiency on older NMs. Linkshells killing Kirin with PLDs in full AF Staff tanking comes to mind. Sure gearing up speeds things up, but that is the only true progress. It seems ironic that what people are really fighting against is the play time, and the company that benefits from longer play time would create "items" that counter the purpose of the system. That's why I never put gear as the priority goal in this game.

[Karbuncle]

Gear never mattered. The gear progression only worked backwards. You fought NMs to get gear, only to have to fight newer NMs for "better" gear which would improve your efficiency on older NMs. Linkshells killing Kirin with PLDs in full AF Staff tanking comes to mind. Sure gearing up speeds things up, but that is the only true progress. It seems ironic that what people are really fighting against is the play time, and the company that benefits from longer play time would create "items" that counter the purpose of the system. That's why I never put gear as the priority goal in this game.

Honest Question - If you don't prioritize getting gear - What the hell is there to do in FFXI >_>?

Everything revolves around getting the next piece of Armor/Weapon/Item.

[Hirronimus]

Everything else.

[Byrthnoth]

Gear matters. You can't kill Botulus Rex with magical beams of friendship and hopefulness. You actually need to put a Great Axe through his face, and you need pretty high accuracy and attack to do it.

[Atoreis]

Gear matters. You can't kill Botulus Rex with magical beams of friendship and hopefulness. You actually need to put a Great Axe through his face, and you need pretty high accuracy and attack to do it.

^ <3

[Karbuncle]

Everything else.

Like what?

Again, Honest question. I just can't think of much to do in this game that doesn't come back to the goal of getting new armor/weapons. Even most side activities involve some sort of armor/weapons, Or at list gil.

[noodles355]

woe is just a pet job feast nowadays including 15 so no, gear dont matter there either.

You're a tool.

Naturally, the only way to do WoE is to get a bunch of pickup smn. You couldn't like... organise a LS event around it and take a full alliance (+ extra, no 18man limit). It's not as if Mingyi, a Caturae with ALL Caturae TP moves except enthrall, without abyssean HP and buffs, nor voidwatch temps*, should pose a challenge. His Nefarious Collar and Nomkahpa Mittens aren't exactly worth anything either.


* WoE temps are random, if you go straight to him without killing eles/the other 5 Caturae then you wont have any.

[Atoreis]

Like what?

Again, Honest question. I just can't think of much to do in this game that doesn't come back to the goal of getting new armor/weapons. Even most side activities involve some sort of armor/weapons, Or at list gil.

Nah believe me you can. It just a matter of your mind. Im like you and when I plan something to do its always around getting some new stuff but sometimes I have a moments when I just enjoy the game like:
1. helping someone with some missions and actually pay attention to cutescanes this time instead of bashing Enter XD
2. run around watching stuff
3. trying to figure out some new stuff like this Bukhis with Ochain
4. going to some abyssea pt on one of my best equipped jobs like WAR and have fun from ppl who are shocked that you can kill mob in one spell/ws or you crit every 2nd hit for alomst 2k
I can try to remember a lot more if you are interested PM me

Now there are ppl like me who do stuff like that occasionally and ppl that mainly do stuff like that and occasionally go for better equip.

[Atoreis]

You're a tool.

Naturally, the only way to do WoE is to get a bunch of pickup smn. You couldn't like... organise a LS event around it and take a full alliance (+ extra, no 18man limit). It's not as if Mingyi, a Caturae with ALL Caturae TP moves except enthrall, without abyssean HP and buffs, nor voidwatch temps*, should pose a challenge. His Nefarious Collar and Nomkahpa Mittens aren't exactly worth anything either.


* WoE temps are random, if you go straight to him without killing eles/the other 5 Caturae then you wont have any.

Like I said doing something challaging in ffxi is more of the matter of choice.
You can do a lot of challanging stuff by doing stuff in hard way (not optimal jobs, no temps, etc.) instead of going for easy way like in example you mentioned above.

Being able to kill AV with zerg method doesnt change a fact that it was still ultimate challange to kill it normal way.

If you choose the easiest way to do stuff like smn ally in WoE then you are saying the game is easy and you cant find nothing challaging then I dont have anything to talk about with you lol.