Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Kidnoftle]

^ is what I was thinking. If 3 people can get adl to 30% in general, I don't see why an ally of 18 couldnt just split into 9/9 or 6/6/6 (if trip split) w/ standard dt-% set ups: brd smn dd dd dd rdm. I don't see exactly what could kill you if you could get enough distance between them. Going to try some attempts of my own soon, maybe I'll have something more to contribute~

[Damane]

If they don't have hate to people outside ally, there could be some possibilities here. A /targetnpc macro should make AOE stunning easy enough as well. Do clones share hate? How far can you drag them away without losing confrontation status? Oh and do AOEs hit outside of ally? You could do something like 3 DD parties outside alliance and each party focuses on a specific DL if not.

I'm not sure, but doesnt confrontation status actually not let you mess up with mobs/PTmembers that are currently being fought by an alliance?

[Jem]

^ is what I was thinking. If 3 people can get adl to 30% in general, I don't see why an ally of 18 couldnt just split into 9/9 or 6/6/6 (if trip split) w/ standard dt-% set ups: brd smn dd dd dd rdm. I don't see exactly what could kill you if you could get enough distance between them. Going to try some attempts of my own soon, maybe I'll have something more to contribute~

Usually the insta-death on Tera Slash, Death spell or Dynamic Implosion (Terror which lasts like 30-60 seconds) and then just mauling you whilst you can't do anything. Generally speaking the majority of our deaths occured with PD still up so the outright damage wasn't the issue.

I have no idea what the ally hate is like. I only noticed it didn't aggro people after the wipe yesterday when RR'ing.

[noodles355]

When they clone, you lose target for like 5-10 seconds.

Something I noticed, but it could just be that I forgot to take off auto-target for the first fight, but did for the second fight (not that it mattered, being 17" away and all). When the second pop split, the original vanished and was replaced by two clones. But on the first pop, when he split, the original target remained and the two clones joined him. I'm fairly sure our MA stayed engaged on that same innitial target, which turned out to be the correct one. Was that a bug? Or is it just because of auto-target being on or off?


Also, something we noticed on the wipe on the 2nd attempt was their reset position. One went and stood right on the ???, the other stood a bit in front and to the side, like a guard. Few of us were wondering whether their position had anything to do with which was the real one. That said, if it did, I'm not sure how effectively it could be worked into a strat, after all, it's the dickish 60sec terror and instant death TP moves that ruin it.

[Jem]

Something I noticed, but it could just be that I forgot to take off auto-target for the first fight, but did for the second fight (not that it mattered, being 17" away and all). When the second pop split, the original vanished and was replaced by two clones. But on the first pop, when he split, the original target remained and the two clones joined him. I'm fairly sure our MA stayed engaged on that same innitial target, which turned out to be the correct one. Was that a bug? Or is it just because of auto-target being on or off?


Also, something we noticed on the wipe on the 2nd attempt was their reset position. One went and stood right on the ???, the other stood a bit in front and to the side, like a guard. Few of us were wondering whether their position had anything to do with which was the real one. That said, if it did, I'm not sure how effectively it could be worked into a strat, after all, it's the dickish 60sec terror and instant death TP moves that ruin it.

That was an oddity of the first triple split yeah. It did autotarget when it split but there was still the 5-10 sec downtime. His target still disappeared, it just reappeared after split and retargeted instead of the usual disengage.

I don't think it's worth looking too much into though as me and KA both autotargeted different clones when it did that split. Obviously she picked the right one, I didn't though. Honestly, I didn't even realise I was on the wrong one until I died.

[Shenrien]

all shadows spawn with a very high stoneskin, while the real ADL doesn't have a stoneskin, if you hit for 0 switch target untill you find the right one, the lower his HP goes before split the more shadows you'll have to deal with, a slow kill from the start leaving him above 50% we found gives us only 1 shadow and the real ADL to deal with.

We only use 5 DD, fully buffed (Chaos, Misery, 2x Minuet, Embrava, PD, Hastega) and they'll all open up with there relic or empyrean WS for aftermath and ride it and disengage before dropping him below 50%, vent helps out a lot calling out which one is the real and which one is the fake, the only thing you have to worry about still is his terror and death TP attack which is conal to target, so don't stack up.

we went 1/3 due to his terror preventing us from winning, the 2 we lost were both at 4-7%. Sucks but there's not much you can really do other then have a second PT waiting on the side with PD, if terror goes off they can rush in give the final blow.

we also found out that his TP moves reach 40~45+ away from him, so if you bring a second DD pt and don't wanna use PD on them the moment main DD PT dies he will run over to the other party and start whaling on them, you can easily move 50+ away from the pop spot and still be in the battlefield.

Seemed to work fine for us, gonna shoot for 5+ ADL on Monday, given that our numbers are as high as they were on Friday.

[Atoreis]

all shadows spawn with a very high stoneskin, while the real ADL doesn't have a stoneskin, if you hit for 0 switch target untill you find the right one, the lower his HP goes before split the more shadows you'll have to deal with, a slow kill from the start leaving him above 50% we found gives us only 1 shadow and the real ADL to deal with.

We only use 5 DD, fully buffed (Chaos, Misery, 2x Minuet, Embrava, PD, Hastega) and they'll all open up with there relic or empyrean WS for aftermath and ride it and disengage before dropping him below 50%, vent helps out a lot calling out which one is the real and which one is the fake, the only thing you have to worry about still is his terror and death TP attack which is conal to target, so don't stack up.

we went 1/3 due to his terror preventing us from winning, the 2 we lost were both at 4-7%. Sucks but there's not much you can really do other then have a second PT waiting on the side with PD, if terror goes off they can rush in give the final blow.

we also found out that his TP moves reach 40~45+ away from him, so if you bring a second DD pt and don't wanna use PD on them the moment main DD PT dies he will run over to the other party and start whaling on them, you can easily move 50+ away from the pop spot and still be in the battlefield.

Seemed to work fine for us, gonna shoot for 5+ ADL on Monday, given that our numbers are as high as they were on Friday.

If that would be ffxiah you would probably end up with around 2000 "+" for that info

[NynJa]

are some of these ninja changes to ADL to circumvent the bitching, or were these always around and no one really noticed?

[Taint]

are some of these ninja changes to ADL to circumvent the bitching, or were these always around and no one really noticed?

Probably always around, no real point in killing him before these trials. We wiped a few times when he first came out and never tried again.

Sounds like SE was trying to avoid him being zerged. We used to zerg him hard and he'd spawn a lot of clones. (7 was the most according to my LS mate)

Clones so you can't CS stun lock him. Speed of the zerg = # of clones. SE put some thought into this mob, then messed it up with AoE death and terror.

I wonder how the AoE damage update will effect him, could make him a joke depending on how they do it.

[Diomer]

are some of these ninja changes to ADL to circumvent the bitching, or were these always around and no one really noticed?

My guess is it looks like it was always around; I watched a few older youtube videos of ADL and it's pretty evident that one of them has a stoneskin in some videos and in others; they wiped right as it split and one of the clones was untouched until someone reraised and hit it and did damage on the first swing... so looks like it was always there and no one noticed, I'm glad we finally know though... makes this a lot easier.

[Jem]

So basically once it clones you can have a BLM fire off an aga spell and then kill the clone at the lowest HP since they all repop at same %. If that works then winning just got a whole lot easier.

Can probably get away with EA + Scherzo if you have 1 DD party drop it to initial cloning HP with another DD party stood out of range until you nail down the correct clone. Then just zerg the correct clone under EA + Scherzo with the second DD party fully buffed (plus whatever is left of the 1st party). You're only looking at like 40-60k damage needed after cloning which is fuck all for 3 buffed DD's with all their big abilities available. Especially if you have a BLM or 2 to toss in stuns.

[Kidnoftle]

Oh wow, that's amazing lol. So this limits its ability to kill an ally to just Terror + nom'ing on ally it seems. Neato.

[Tachi]

I have a hard time seeing his Stoneskin on all my videos. I see mostly his "invulnerability" during the summoning animation but it's very good new if it work.

[InsaniacTHF]

Would it be possible to bring something like 6 stunners, force a single clone and dedicate 3 stuns to each? Does he spam TP too fast for that? If a reliable 2hour-less strat pops up I might have to reactivate my accounts. /sigh

[Cairthenn]

'-l'

[Helel]

Does reaving wind not stick or something? Seems like this would be a very easy way to win without PD.

[dasva]

I've never actually seen reaving wind not land on something that wasn't super wind or just all magic resistant... on the other hand it seems to automatically only do 1/2 or 1/4 on most nms and who knows maybe partial resist after that. Not sure how fast they gain tp so it might not matter.

Of course if he doesn't have regain you could just stick to non tp giving sources of dmg. Gogo 18 cerimonial dagger rdms!

[NynJa]

Does ADL resist souleater?


and according to pchan, the stoneskin thing is bullshit. In a sense, I'd kinda believe it cuz during the cloning phase, you hit for 0...but regardless, its pchan, and he's an idiot, so
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...in-of-salt.jpg

[Jem]

It's likely that we will be doing some ADL tonight so we'll check for the stoneskin thing when we do. I can't say I ever remember hitting for 0 on it before except during the cloning process but it's not something I've really paid attention to.

As for Souleater, I've always been the only DRK we've taken so hard to judge. I suspect he does though since they gave it to most things added after that nerf.

[Jem]

It's likely that we will be doing some ADL tonight so we'll check for the stoneskin thing when we do. I can't say I ever remember hitting for 0 on it before except during the cloning process but it's not something I've really paid attention to.

As for Souleater, I've always been the only DRK we've taken so hard to judge. I suspect he does though since they gave it to most things added after that nerf.

Update on this. Just did it, had BLM's Thundaja when it cloned. Thundajas hit for identical damage on both clones BUT one had lower HP than the other afterwards. Killed the one with lower HP and it was the correct choice.

Trying another pop and will do the same again.