Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[noodles355]

2nd Pop: Aga/aja hit both clones. Both of their HP dropped by the same amount.

[NynJa]

so were back to luck fight?

[Darkmagi]

So the stoneskin thing is bullshit and there is no known gimmick?

[Jem]

Well I personally would say that they do not have SS because all the aga's always did identical damage to both clones

1st Pop - Definitely had different HP after aga's to everyone. One was at 56%, the other at 54% (but agas hit for same damage)
2nd Pop - Same HP after aga's on my screen. 48% for both. Some people say they were different though (again agas hit for same damage)

I was first or second to re-engage and they were both 48% to me. We killed the one some people thought was at lower HP and it wasn't the real ADL anyway. It just recloned as soon as it died (at least I assume it did, it was at 1% when I died and recloned straight after putting them both at 46%).

(EDIT: There is some doubt about the second attempt though. Someone on the run who I trust enough to doubt myself says it was the clone we didn't kill was 46% and the other was 48%. But again he isn't sure as it was hectic.)

Only new/old info I have to add is that when they clone, the HP they repop at will be at whatever HP the highest HP clone is at. When they recloned for us today 1 was either at 1% or dead, other was at 46%. The two clones popped at 46% (Someone targetted this after cloning so can't use the HP as a benchmark for the earlier mentioned 48%)

Unless you're really confident you can waste the PD time trying to test this, I'd personally recommend you don't bother. We weren't able to kill the second pop but it may have been a different matter if we hadn't been confused about which to target when they were both same HP (it got terror move off at 1% which screwed us). But if you're willing to take the risk, then it would at least clear it up. Personally I'm not buying it but I'm not 100% certain either.



We did find it far less bitchy by having plenty of stuns to throw at it. We had 2-3 BLM's plus SMN's using the Ramuh BP stun move in todays fights and far fewer TP moves got off (obviously). Didn't get them to aim for anything in particular, just had them throw stuns at the one we were fighting.

[noodles355]

2nd Pop - Same HP after aga's on my screen. 48% for both. Some people say they were different though (again agas hit for same damage)

I remember you saying you engaged one because they were both the same. You probably knocked off that 1-2% that made them different HPs that people were talking about. I'm certain they were the same right until people started engaging again.

When fully buffed, he is really squishy though and stunnable. If he's stunnable with Rdm's low Dark Magic, maybe it'd be worth having one DD party on each clone, with two rdm's (one for each clone) CS Stunning? Based on the speed he was dropping with 2 DD PTs on him, I'm sure he'd be dead before CS off with one PT.

[Jem]

That's my exact line of thinking because it matches up with what I saw and makes sense. I was generally hitting for 500-600. A DA and/or relic proc would have easily knocked off 2% especially considering Souleater was still up.

However, Tebe thinks it was the one I didn't engage that was 46% and I trust him enough to doubt myself. He says he engaged the other one and had to switch targets whilst out of range of both due to knockback. And the one that he first engaged was 46% but he isn't 100% sure. The fact that it's Tebe that is saying it and that the other clone was at 46% when the other died puts enough doubt in my mind to think maybe I was wrong. Someone would need to hit it to knock that 2% off and Tebe says he never got a swing off.

[NynJa]

dont you run logger, cant you check how much damage you did when it cloned and see if the numbers match up?

[noodles355]

The other thing to consider though is that on the first pop, the one with the lower HP was the correct one, whereas even if the one we killed on the 2nd pop did have lower HP after nukes, it wasn't the correct one anyway.

[Jem]

I didn't have anything running and I doubt anybody else did either otherwise they would have spoken up. I would have checked back in my chatlog at the time but I didn't speak to Tebe about it until after the run by which point it had long cleared as we farmed more ADL pops (He only came to me because he saw my BG post). We did want to do a third pop but unfortunately our COR's didn't restore 2hrs and no way was I chancing it without PD.

If I had to make a gut decision on it right this second then I would say the SS isn't true. It just doesn't match up to what was reported. They said it had a substantial SS and a melee would hit for 0. If that was true then the aga's would have hit for different amounts and they didn't, they hit for identical amounts. They did not say the clone had more HP than the real ADL, they specifically said SS and mentioned hitting for 0.

[noodles355]

Even if they ended up at different HPs, the definitely went down equally after the first 1-2 nukes, that I'm 100% on. But like I said, even if they did end up at different HPs before engage, both attempts we killed the lower-HP clone and while one attempt ended in victory, the other didn't. So same HP or not, it has no link to the "correct" clone.

[Tachi]

We did 3 ADL with POLUtils. ADL#1 has called ADL#5 and 6 each time. 5 was always the right ADL.

[Churchill]

To be clear, you are saying you had 3x ADL up at once(1, 5, 6), or when ADL called adds, ADL/adds became #5 and #6?

[Tachi]

ADL called adds, ADL/adds became #5 and #6?

This. ADL#1 (the one you pop with the five tomes) became #5 and #6 after the summoning animation.

[Jem]

That's kinda checkable with ASE or ApRadar isn't it? It wouldn't be concrete but you could possibly deduce something from their %'s unless it changes them all back to 100% on intial pop.

I don't mean on Tachi's server in particular, I just mean in general.

If someone could check on Asura right now then it should be

#1 48%
#5 46%
#6 0%

Then possibly 2 from 2/3/4 at 46% too. Since we killed the wrong one and then the remaining one (presumably 5) cloned again.

[Churchill]

I guess what I'm getting at then is whether or not real ADL is always the lowest number clone that gets spawned.

[diasetsu]

ADL always splits into 5 and 6 with #1 despawning. If HP is low enough pre summoning animation to spawn 3, he becomes 5,6, and 7. #5 is not always correct however, as my group has had the right one be 6,6,5, and 7 in our 4 kills.

[Churchill]

Ah I guess I misunderstood what you were trying to convey then

[Diomer]

Did some ADLs today... 2/5 on wins; kinda depressing, but 1/5 would've been worse... few things we tried out:
1. Anyone who has wiped to it probably notices that when it goes back into place, one of the DL's stands on the pop spot and the others are lined in front of it like "guards"; obviously the idea was the real one was probably the one on the pop spot, but this is 100% not the case at least when it has 3 clones + 1 real up. The one time we took it under 50% by accident before it cloned and it popped 3, we decided to wipe and then recover and test if that DL was the real one and it wasn't so... at least good to know I guess.
2. The stoneskin thing is false unfortunately.

Has anyone PERSONALLY (not I heard from so and so) tried widescan tracking or putting a pet on ADL before it clones? There's gotta be something that can be used to distinguish which one is real... I hope...

[Auronku]

Did 7 ADL pops tonight, won 6 of them, no double drops. Kudos to the person who alluded the %age he splits at affecting the number of clones since it helped us adjust our strat after losing the one. What worked best for us after we realized our error and wiped to the one that split at 18%, was to stop damage completely at around 50%. At that point let him split into only 2. Worst case scenario then you only have 2 to pound down max. I'm not sure if it can split again after having split once, but it never did for us at least. Overall, we had very good luck with picking the "true" one on the first try, but even the one we didn't, had plenty of time to push down 2 of them assuming he didn't do Terror move.

[Diomer]

Did 7 ADL pops tonight, won 6 of them, no double drops. Kudos to the person who alluded the %age he splits at affecting the number of clones since it helped us adjust our strat after losing the one. What worked best for us after we realized our error and wiped to the one that split at 18%, was to stop damage completely at around 50%. At that point let him split into only 2. Worst case scenario then you only have 2 to pound down max. I'm not sure if it can split again after having split once, but it never did for us at least. Overall, we had very good luck with picking the "true" one on the first try, but even the one we didn't, had plenty of time to push down 2 of them assuming he didn't do Terror move.

Did you have a second DD party with a PD or scherzo or something? I'm curious as to how many people you had since with just 5 DDs we couldn't take the second one down without it cloning again... it would be low hp usually except the one time it cloned instantly after the first one died.

Edit: I've some some mentions of the clones sharing hate, but from our experience today... that wasn't the case at all. Has anyone tried Diaga on them right as they clone before anyone attacks them to see if maybe only one will come after you; it's just a guess at this point but if that was the case and only one came after the person who Diaga'd, I'd guess the other one was the real one.