Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[pchan]

Post march+ correction I now have 554 and 599(w/ dia II) in my no atk buffs simulation.

my guess is you forgot to add +35 dex from marches bonus and boost dex.

[Martel]

my guess is you forgot to add +35 dex from marches bonus and boost dex.

Nope, already accounted for. I had to put it in the set bonus line of the tp/ws sets, since there's no setting for it in the setup tab in the mnk sheet though.

[Martel]

Using the same stats as the comparison of the mythic thread but 21 level correction ;
vere : 283 DPS
ryu : 274 DPS

For the same comparison I'm getting;

MNK: 324
DRG: 590(w/ angon 650. w/o 530)

Odd that my MNK dps came out higher than yours this time, when it was substantially lower in the lvl0 no atk buffs sim.

[pchan]

For me removing the 150-170 attack in the bonus tab has the dps go from 716 dps to 666 dps.
For DRG removing minuet let's you go from 751 to 637.

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[Martel]

For me removing the 150 attack in the bonus tab has the dps go from 709 dps to 664 dps.
For DRG removing minuet let's you go from 751 to 637

Wait, which comparison are we on now?

huh, odd how I couldn't see half of you post till I quoted it.

[pchan]

I was editing. The same drg and mnk gear of the mythic section, no meditate (minor anyway), no wyvern (minor loss), no jumb (obvious justification) with the same mob.

[Martel]

For me removing the 150-170 attack in the bonus tab has the dps go from 716 dps to 666 dps.
For DRG removing minuet let's you go from 751 to 637.

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Was this counter point for me or byth? I feel like I may be missing the point.

[pchan]

Yours ? You have been giving wrong values for monk for the pas few posts. Dropping minuet, assuming it makes sense to do so (it does not), doesn't put monk below 600 dps as you claim. Your general argument for DRG generally relies on angon, forgetting that it applies to all DDs, which is only there to counter their lack of berserk and is benefitting only DDs that are not : WAR/SAM, SAM/WAR, 1 handed /WAR.

[NynJa]

I thought you didn't account for jumps in those calculations, and doesn't it pull ahead significantly with angon+chaos roll? Ignoring the fact that you only even bothered to compare 1 mythic.

He compared a monk using all their JA's to a drg using none of their JA's other than zerk if /war or hasso if /sam, and shit gear for the drg or something.

Then again I posted this before I noticed the entire discussion that followed lol.

[Martel]

Wrong values eh? Different from yours = wrong? Well, those are what coming out of the spread sheet in the given situations. If you can tell me what's wrong with them, aside from that they don't match yours, I'd like to hear it.

The only reason I made a no minuet/Dia scenario, was because of this statement. Which I found to be untrue.

Is the fact that Mythic DRG requires COR, 2x minuets, and Dia 2 (on decent challenge mobs and not counting the dps loss due to building 300 tp) to beat monk and war representative of the fact that doing a Ryunohige is "worth it" alexandrite wise ?

Not because dropping minuets is logical. It's not. But neither is using trash mobs to determine a DD's worth. Or trying to claim DRG is weaker than another job while ignoring many of its strengths (Jumps, meditate, angon, etc) and gearing it in a manner sub optimal for Ryunohige.

And depending on Angon? Every sim I've run has had DRG ahead whether I use angon or not. And no, I haven't forgotten that angon applies to all DD present. But you wouldn't bring a DRG to events. So you don't get angon. I do. Cause I'm the one throwing it. ^^

[Fake]

Yours ? You have been giving wrong values for monk for the pas few posts. Dropping minuet, assuming it makes sense to do so (it does not), doesn't put monk below 600 dps as you claim. Your general argument for DRG generally relies on angon, forgetting that it applies to all DDs, which is only there to counter their lack of berserk and is benefitting only DDs that are not : WAR/SAM, SAM/WAR, 1 handed /WAR.

Because Berserk is up full time? Unless you are only counting fully buffed situations, which wouldn't make sense if you are picking DC level mobs because that would imply its not a zerg and you will be fighting over a number of cycles. If you aren't refering to a DC situation and something higher level you're always going to have minuets or chaos roll or both, as well as dia 2/3.

You seem adamant to gloss over anything that disadvantages mnk in any way. Yes you obviously can do all the math and you have provided useful information in the math section but you are so transparent in your bias when comparing mnk to any other job that people don't take you seriously.

[Raen Ryong]

I haven't played FFXI in a couple of months now and never really did Legion before I went, but even if DRG was behind MNK, is there any reason you wouldn't want Angon? If we still talk Abyssea for whatever reason, DRG can proc a reasonable amount of stuff if you go /war (more than people think); Voidwatch it's useful for procs and Angon; Neonyzul okay probably not all that great but I'd imagine usable. Legion I have no idea and Dynamis in theory probably decent if you are bringing a larger group.

Following on from this, if we agree that DRG even in the scenario it isn't high dps is useful, would Ryunohige therefore not be a very worthwhile investment?

[pchan]

On higher level mobs you don't require COR, it's wrong. Unless you prove me right now that your are fighting mobs with 1k defense (in which case, anyway, your local DRG/SAM sucks). The only reason you would bring COR if you already have BRD is if your are using gimp 2 handed DD jobs because they don't have berserk. And in this case you need angon ... unless a lol DRG pops because his drakebane has a negative berserk. You will always be better bringing WARs& MNK and not using CORs or if you use COR, using appropriate WAR buff from the COR which is not going to be chaos roll UNLESS the thing is evasive in which cas you don't use minuet but use madrigal as well as chaos. In this case the fail 2-handed DDs still suck as much because they are still lacking attack buff somehow. So team MNK-WAR is winning and team DRG is failing.

Trust me and replace your CORs by SMN, you DRG by WAR or MONK and you will win the game.

For those intersted I used a gear set that I totally pulled out of my ass for conqueror and it's going to be better than DRG so...lol.

[NynJa]

Oh yeah you're totally the role model who exemplifies "winning the game"

You hear that smn's? Pchan supports you!

[Prothescar]

what have i done

[Martel]

OPINON

Until we have accurate, reliable figure for high end content mobs stats, A factual model is not possible. And as the one making these claims, the burden of proof is on you.

For those intersted I used a gear set that I totally pulled out of my ass for conqueror and it's going to be better than DRG so...lol.

If you're using the same Lobotomized and castrated DRG model as before, this is no surprise. <,<;;

[Darkmagi]

Pchan you seem to be confused. You do realize that people can swap brd and cor yes? Not that you do legion, but in legion you have a DD party and you swap in a BRD, COR, and SMN. I'd like to know how swapping that cor(buffing 5 DDs) for a war without PD is going to increase your damage.

[Churchill]

DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES

[Churchill]

And win no parses.

[Fiendishone]

This just in: why do people pick their relics/mythics/emps based on what other people do or what other people say is best?

Who the fuck cares. Unless those people are paying for your monthly fees do whatever the fuck weapon you want. Jesus fucking christ with all the god damn e-peen/math bitching over the last few pages. Take that shit elsewhere. Moar pics of relics/mythics/emps. Don't care which ones they are.