Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Yugl]

Can someone explain me the point of this mythic (if you have daurdabla & relic horn already) ?

I doubt he has either of those given the inventory.

[noodles355]

Can someone explain me the point of this mythic (if you have daurdabla & relic horn already) ?

Increased song duration. It's like 8-9min duration with troubadour and carnwenhan/gjaller/af3 shit.

[pchan]

It's not longer than the 4 songs of DDB which can be overwritten by the relic.

[noodles355]

Carnwenhan stacks with harp song duration no? Have both = longer than just harp

[pchan]

Not at all.

[Byrthnoth]

I just went to the test server to test it out.

I used Daurb alone (no other duration enhancing gear) to cast 4 Paeons on myself. Then I used G-horn/Carn with AF3+2 body and AF3 neck + Troubadour + Nightingale and sung 4 minuets. The songs lasted 528 seconds, a 4.4 multiplier. That's consistent with Carn (+50%), +5 Minuet (+50%), and 2 duration enhancing pieces (+20%) along with Troubadour (x2). So yes, they all stack and the final duration is 8.8 minutes. Troubadour lasts 1:20 with augmented AF2+2 so it's theoretically possible to keep Troub songs up all the time, but I doubt you can actually get songs off again in the 8 seconds of overlap. BRD needs one more +1 or pieces of +Duration gear to make it possible.

This allows you to keep a Marcato'd song up for 88% of the time.


Marcato Scherzo with the same setup lasts 13 minutes and 12 seconds, which is consistent with a 1.5x multiplication in a second term as we thought.

[pchan]

They don't stack, when I did it a few days ago they lasted 8 minutes and a few seconds with both setups. The way I did it is

full AF3+2 bard with the JSE neck.

nightingale+troubadour+carn+DDB last 8 minutes and like 20 seconds for the first casted song.
nightingale+troubadour+DDB lasts also 8 minutes and 20 sec ish.

The songs I did were marchx2 minuet x2.

[Byrthnoth]

Carn/G-horn overwriting Daurb songs:

8 minutes and 48 seconds

Daurb Songs without Carn:

6 minutes and 48 seconds

Carn adds 50% duration, which is doubled by Troub (+100% duration), so it makes sense that it adds 120 seconds because that's the base song duration.

Daurb's +50% duration should be the same as +5 song, which is what we have on the important songs from G-horn and equipment. Except that . . . .

28:28 to 36:52 is 8 minutes and 24 seconds. It looks like "Increases Song Duration" from equipment caps at +100%, because that's 24 seconds (+10%) low of the G-horn + Carn version (where +50% of our duration came from +5 Minuet) even though it should be 24 seconds longer (+1 Minuet, +120% duration for +130% total, x2 for 460% of base, songs should have been 9:20).

Interesting. It means it will likely never be possible to maintain a Marcato song (other than one like Scherzo) with Daurb, but may be possible some day with G-horn.

Edit:
Sylph.Reain pointed out that Daurb 99 is only +30% duration, so there's not a cap on song duration and that's where I lost 20%.

[pchan]

All done while troubadour and nightingale active
fullAF3+2 and neck as only gear


(1)DDB only : marchx2 minuetx2 last only 6'18
(2)carn+ddb : marchx2 minuetx2 last 8'16
(3)carn+relic : marchx2 last 8'39
(4)no carn, casting 4 peaon with DDB then relic with marchx2 minuetx2, starting the timer after the first march : 6'39
(5)no carn and DDB paeon x4 then relic + carn and marchx2 minuetx2, starting the timer after the first march : 8'38
(6)carn and DDB and paeonx4, then carn+relic and marchx2 minuetx2, starting the timer after the first march : 8'39

(3) and (6) have the same song duration so in this sense DDB doesn't add more duration, (2) shows that the best duration is done with relic regardless of the setup. However It is worth getting if you have relic and horn, because it adds 2 minutes though you still can't fulltime troubadour. In either case you got to recast songs. So it's fairly useless unless additonnal gear can extend this to 10 min.

[mdkuser]

A NQ bard with full AF3+2 and neck cannot do better than first sing troub'd song (~5 min), then sing NQ song twice.

A bard with DDB + Ghorn saves one NQ song casting: 1 round of troubadours (~6:30) then one round of NQ (~3:20).

at this point + duration items are meaningless unless you can full time troubadour. Or unless you want to sing >afk(brd mule).

In any case + duration is meh in general for a non mule bard because you can reapply songs once they have been on for a certain amount of time ad infinitum (roughly after 50% of the total duration you can re-sing them).

[detlef]

Mythic is anything but useless but there's absolutely no reason to get it first before Daurdabla and Ghorn.

[Nightfyre]

I doubt he has either of those given the inventory.

He doesn't and was quite adamant about finishing the dagger first while building it.

[Humblejoe]

Grats Jackalman!

[noodles355]

In any case + duration is meh in general for a non mule bard because you can reapply songs once they have been on for a certain amount of time ad infinitum (roughly after 50% of the total duration you can re-sing them).

Reapplying songs every few minutes is so mind-numbingly boring. Duration+ equipment means more time semi-watching TV between songs = makes the job more bareable. Replace semi-watching TV with meleebrd on easy/joke content.

tl;dr Singing is dull as fuck and anything that means less singing is win.

[pchan]

If you read he actually said you have to do as much singing even with the mythic, unless for some reason you want to skip the last 1 min and 20sec until troubadour is up again. Also if you need to recast them long before they wear off (casting 4 song out of troubadour takes time) or else you have to do "4 worthless song > 4 useful songs" again. Imo it's only good if you fight something that has between 6 and 8 minutes duration, and regarless, DDB+relic is a prerequisite.

We don't see many SAM mythic btw ... Were has the SAM bandwagon gone.

[noodles355]

If you read he actually said you have to do as much singing even with the mythic, unless for some reason you want to skip the last 1 min and 20sec until troubadour is up again. Also if you need to recast them long before they wear off (casting 4 song out of troubadour takes time) or else you have to do "4 worthless song > 4 useful songs" again. Imo it's only good if you fight something that has between 6 and 8 minutes duration, and regarless, DDB+relic is a prerequisite.

Troub + DDB/Gjallar + gear = 6min 48, recasting DDB x4 Gjallar x4 @ 6min32, 3min24 duration, songs start wearing off @9min56.

Dagger means that songs can be kept up fuilltime by singing twice every 10minutes. No dagger means you have to wait 4 seconds for troub recast !! Or something idk.

We don't see many SAM mythic btw ... Were has the SAM bandwagon gone.

They lvl'd drk and made a Ragnarok.

[macross]

If you read he actually said you have to do as much singing even with the mythic, unless for some reason you want to skip the last 1 min and 20sec until troubadour is up again. Also if you need to recast them long before they wear off (casting 4 song out of troubadour takes time) or else you have to do "4 worthless song > 4 useful songs" again. Imo it's only good if you fight something that has between 6 and 8 minutes duration, and regarless, DDB+relic is a prerequisite.

We don't see many SAM mythic btw ... Were has the SAM bandwagon gone.

Oh my bad, guess I should post this then

[Prothescar]

sexy

[cdgreg]

I need to incorporate the word thrice into my vocabulary, it would be so simple too...did that happen twice or thrice last week?

[Nightmarelord]

Oh my bad, guess I should post this then

SWAG. blow stuff up