Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Taint]

I think what he is saying is that there is no working gil sink to bleed the system of the gil that the fountain of crour brought in and I'm inclined to agree with him. Sure gil will change hands for dyna currency, marrows, alexs, NNI bought gear, etc. But all of the gil that was created by the crour fountain will take a long long time to leave the system. And that is assuming that even after the crour nerf that sinks outweigh fountains, which with the lack of volume on the auction house is a pretty bold statement. There may be a redistribution of wealth, but its not like the trillions of gil that entered the system is going away overnight.

Until they start banning accounts with large amounts of gil.

They have been doing that for years, we lost 800mil on a mule in my LS through a banning. The account didn't do anything but hold gil and they banned it for too much "gil flow."

[Draginhikari]

First thing that comes to my mind is that as soon as Neo-Salv comes out.. and "supposedly" more alex will hit the market.. it'll just make more people want to do Mythics. Since more buyers will be needing 30k it's doubtful much will change from how it is now.

Kind of the reason I've continued to buy Alexandrite for mine now and not assuming that Neo-Salvage is going to guranatee that gathering it is going to be any easier as a result.

[pchan]

Out of the 1k char online atm on quetz, how many do you think have 800M or more ? Plus farming cruor was not forbidden. The are only a few way to make gil go out of the system :

legion ? No really call me when people do legion.
Limbus ? same.
The only thing I see is meeble burrows but it's only recent.

If people were actually making gil with cruor I think we wouldn't see players farm coins in dynamis, but rather players farm cruor.

99% of bazars are currency.

[Kincard]

How good of a moneymaker it is often irrelevant to the number of people doing it. People farm Dynamis because you can do it on your own at any time you want. To farm cruor efficiently you need to either 6-box bot farm or have a group at your side ready to go any time you want. That's like telling saying to someone in 2008 if selling Ridills and Abjurations were worth so much, everyone would be doing it.

And as I've said elsewhere, blinkering gil isn't accessble to many players because it's a tedious process if you don't have a bot to buy and sell the blinkers for you whether you botted the farming process itself or not.

[Byrthnoth]

Legion gets done, but at 180k per run it removes ~800k per Mul (including trophy drops). We do only one Mul per night and are one of the few groups on Lakshmi that do it.

They should just add an ancient currency gil sink and be over it. Let the goblin sell currency like a guild shop (so the price decreases as stock increases). Can do it with Alexandrite, Dynamis currency, HMPs, Rift items, whatever.

[Mafai]

legion ? No really call me when people do legion.

I wouldn't sit around waiting for that call, no one wants a monk in there.

[TheDangerousDave]

Legion gets done, but at 180k per run it removes ~800k per Mul (including trophy drops). We do only one Mul per night and are one of the few groups on Lakshmi that do it.

They should just add an ancient currency gil sink and be over it. Let the goblin sell currency like a guild shop (so the price decreases as stock increases). Can do it with Alexandrite, Dynamis currency, HMPs, Rift items, whatever.

If they want to reduce the amount of gil then just delete all that on the chars that blatantly got it from blinkers. No need to fuck around doing stuff like this, just delete the illegitimate gil.

[Gadritan]

If they want to reduce the amount of gil then just delete all that on the chars that blatantly got it from blinkers. No need to fuck around doing stuff like this, just delete the illegitimate gil.

Of course! I mean, they obviously wouldn't have spent any of it, so I'm sure it'd be a cakewalk to just track it down and delete it. I'm sure those players would completely understand and continue to sub.

[Draginhikari]

If they want to reduce the amount of gil then just delete all that on the chars that blatantly got it from blinkers. No need to fuck around doing stuff like this, just delete the illegitimate gil.

I seriously doubt it is ever that simple once funds have been moved around with purchases and transactions. It's like real world money laundering the longer the funds have to move around the more difficult is it to track it down over time. I seriously doubt they would be able to go in and simply delete gil without negatively impact people who had nothing to do with the problem to begin with, if they are able to do it at all..

[NynJa]

If people were actually making gil with cruor I think we wouldn't see players farm coins in dynamis, but rather players farm cruor.

99% of bazars are currency.

Your average joe makes about 1.35 mil in currency/forgottens in dynamis (190 currency + forgottens at 7k each), which is 665k/hr. For cruor to match that, you would have to make 266k cruor per hour. When I was cleaving for pops the past week or so in Tahrongi, if I remember my attainment timer correctly, I think it said something like 60-70k/hr. Cruor parties dont cleave obviously, since you have to loop back and forth between mobs, so you'll get more on a per/kill basis, but you're also not popping open 2-6 cruor chests per 5 min. Dynamis only lasts 2 hours though, whereas you can farm cruor as long as your getting TE chests. Cruor farming works when you have multiple characters as well, so that 400 per kill with 5 characters becomes 2000 per kill.

and 99% of bazaars are currency because you cant bazaar cruor or gil, idiot.

[pchan]

Nynja's logic : people can't bazar cruor so they waste their time in dynamis to farm less gil.

[Eurell]

I think he was saying your point that 99% of bazaars had currency in them made no sense at all. You said it to show people farmed dynamis more than cruor, but since you can't bazaar cruor, bazaars don't mean shit when you are comparing the two.

And by I think he was saying that, I mean obviously he was saying that.

[pchan]

people will not bazar coins if they get better gil from cruor, the fact that bazar is filled with coins shows that it's better money, which also shows that cruor farming had no more impact on the gil available.

[NynJa]

That, and you make more gil/hr on a 1 character basis doing dynamis (665k/hr vs 175k/hr, using my afforementionned 70k cruor/hr). Doing dynamis with 12 characters is still going to limit you by mobs and drops (you might get more currency and kill faster, but you're going to run into repop problems eventually). Cruor farming with 12 characters will net you whatever you're getting /hr on 1 character x 12...(175k/hr * 12 = 2.1m/hr)

Idiot.

people will not bazar coins if they get better gil from cruor, the fact that bazar is filled with coins shows that it's better money, which also shows that cruor farming had no more impact on the gil available.

You do NOT get more gil/hr cruor farming solo, duo, or trio. Idiot. I dont know how shit is in Quetz, but on everyone elses servers, you cant sit in dynamis for 24 hours a day, all day every day.

[Eurell]

Dynamis has a time limit. Cruor farming does not. It is entirely possible to do both.

Also, Dynamis currency does not bring New gil into the economy. That gil goes from one person to another. Cruor farming brings in new gil because you're getting it from an NPC.

[Crescendo]

people will not bazar coins if they get better gil from cruor, the fact that bazar is filled with coins shows that it's better money, which also shows that cruor farming had no more impact on the gil available.

Do you do it on purpose or are you normally this dense?

[Kalmado]

people will not bazar coins if they get better gil from cruor, the fact that bazar is filled with coins shows that it's better money, which also shows that cruor farming had no more impact on the gil available.

Holy shit at this comment. Go back to being an iddle rdm. You weren't as bad then. Or were you?

[dasva]

By that logic dynamis is by far the best money and there must not be bazaars filled with anything else. Gotta love pchan logic lol

[Kincard]

By his logic spamming Qilin for HMPs is even more gil because there's actually more people that just do that instead of 2 hours of soul-sucking boring Dynamis every day.

[Flight_93]

Cruor farming brings in new gil because you're getting it from an NPC.

This a thousand times.

IW coins have fuck all to do with gil supply. You're blind if you deny the ubiquitous groups of RMT algae have far surpassed any other prior gil-production exploits (2004 duping or Corazza NPC debacles) by far.

Economists generally agree that high rates of inflation and hyperinflation are caused by an excessive growth of the money supply.

Inflation