Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[pchan]

Ok now show me what is favoring monk exactly ? MNK doesn't top any of the comparison and comes second in only one of them IIRC.

[Nekradarken]

Noone showed my math is wrong, mister 80 posts. This is the typical butthurt reaction when your job is not first though, this is to be expected. Instead of asking a mod to ban me for posting facts, use your efforts to post on the OF to explain the devs that their jobs are not balanced, and that their mythic suck. Oh and yeah my number are reference because

(1) They match motenten SS.
(2) I corrected numerous bugs in his SS thanks to the mythic thread included overestimated pdif value for 2 handers.
(3) Nobody else ever did comparison.

I do not post much but I do read the forum. Someone did the maths on ragnarok DRK showing that your number was biased against DRK and you never refute them.

Btw do you mind to share the gearset for your MNK? I am really curious as I have never seen MNKs winning parses in PW or Legion.

[Konda]

Ok now show me what is favoring monk exactly ? MNK doesn't top any of the comparison and comes second in only one of them IIRC.

Madrigals.

And I seem to to remember something about Ifrit's Enfire was fine if MNK was getting it, but DRK not being allowed to use en-dark?

[pchan]

Yeah I showed him he used different buffs and diffenrent gear. Not my fault if all drk think they can full time souleater and the -120 HP per second that comes with it. The gear I use is listed in the math section thread for all the jobs, and I'm certain none of the butthurt drk of the thread have it in their invo.

[pchan]

Madrigals.

And I seem to to remember something about Ifrit's Enfire was fine if MNK was getting it, but DRK not being allowed to use en-dark?

Yeah it's common sense that casting endark is waste of time especially when enfire is better, doesn't decay, lasts longer ? Buff that would strongly favor MNK would be stuff like rogues's roll and fighter's roll which shouldn't be missing any time you bring a COR a long but I didn't assume this. Also stuff like wasted rounds after 100 TP that would put any mythic below PUP and any MNK above koga due to DOT being 70% of what a monk damage is.

[Konda]

It's common sense not to use madrigals since it's a waste of time especially when everyone in the party but mnk are:
A) 2handed and/or B) have acc+40 on their weapon and/or C) don't get impetus reset if they miss a hit.

[Jem]

Yeah it's common sense that casting endark is waste of time especially when enfire is better, doesn't decay, lasts longer ? Buff that would strongly favor MNK would be stuff like rogues's roll and fighter's roll which shouldn't be missing any time you bring a COR a long but I didn't assume this. Also stuff like wasted rounds after 100 TP that would put any mythic below PUP and any MNK above koga due to DOT being 70% of what a monk damage is.

Endark does more than just enspell damage. Not to mention having the SMN give Enfire is an extra spot in the alliance and an extra buffer to rotate in.

I'm pretty certain when the numbers were run the only buffs that were different were a switch of subjob, otherwise the rest of the buffs were identical (as numbers were run with and without Souleater). Even without the subjob switch though, DRK's numbers were increased purely by using appropriate gear. I seem to recall the gear you used was A. Questionable and B. Had DRK overcapping Haste by a shit ton as you didn't gear swap to account for Desperate Blows haste.

Also good lord, if your healers can't handle the DRKs using Souleater then you need better healers. Not that it matters greatly as numbers were done with and without souleater from what I remember.


Like Ccl said, there is nothing wrong with Pchan's math in itself. The math is correct. It's just the gearsets and buffs he uses are questionable.

[pchan]

It's common sense not to use madrigals since it's a waste of time especially when everyone in the party but mnk are:
A) 2handed and/or B) have acc+40 on their weapon and/or C) don't get impetus reset if they miss a hit.

Acc is benefiting everyone because you can't afford agressor full time. Noone runs legion without this. Not that it matters because level 120 mobs is 0.1% of what matters in the game. Everything has been accuracy capped since 2006. So your so-called 2handed DD advantage doesn't exist.

[Jem]

You cannot fulltime Aggressor true. However, you also would not do Legion with the buffs you stated either.

[Konda]

In the space of 3 sentences, you've contradicted yourself.

[NynJa]

Endark takes all of 2 seconds to cast, which you can cast between mobs or what not >.>

This is why everyone laughs at your numbers, because you gave what was optimal for you, and ignored everyone else. You cant race a Ferrari against a Toyota Corolla and expect a fair result.

[Indalecia]

Relevant

[Omnipotent]

Relevant

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[Arthars]

Acc is benefiting everyone because you can't afford agressor full time. Noone runs legion without this. Not that it matters because level 120 mobs is 0.1% of what matters in the game. Everything has been accuracy capped since 2006. So your so-called 2handed DD advantage doesn't exist.

and his model uses madrigal?

srsly wtf am i reading O_o

and also rather have a SMN in pt, wasting a space, wait for ifrit cast, wait for bloodpact ward, giving enfire, than drk casting endark between legion pulls/waves, or between mobs is mindblowing..........

[pchan]

Relevant

Well since mods are allowed to insult me I'll do the same : you are a retard haha. Noone is taking the site seriously I think.

[Kalmado]

Noone is taking me seriously I think.

Fixed for accuracy.

[Indalecia]

In lighter news....

Spoiler: show

Huge thanks to Divimise and Sath who did 90% of the Dyna's with me to get it.
Cataliina for forward loaning me L.jades to shut me up.
Kainstryder and all the citizenry of VitalStatistics, past and present who put up with me....also the 30 L.jade loan, that helped too :D

[noodles355]

Does the forum have some kind of spam filter, and if so, can we make it so that any post with any 2 of "mnk" "drk" and "dps" by pchan are just automatically removed?

[Odin'sLaw]

In lighter news....

Spoiler: show

Huge thanks to Divimise and Sath who did 90% of the Dyna's with me to get it.
Cataliina for forward loaning me L.jades to shut me up.
Kainstryder and all the citizenry of VitalStatistics, past and present who put up with me....also the 30 L.jade loan, that helped too :D

grats but that mask is confusing me to what it is

[Indalecia]

Dat mods are fun. Its one of the VW abjs, fuck if I know which one.