Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

**noodles355** · 2012-12-19 07:06

Because hybrid jobs, or jobs with natural defensive techniques soloing a wave of mobs is the same as a pure DD who's only compromise is one WS choice soloing the same mobs.

**Dotsudoku** · 2012-12-19 07:24

While killing them all slower than PLD, BLU, RDM, or anyone else who can cleave? '~'

Apoc is neat for some things, but that's a terrible example

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 07:37

I agree with you 95 Apoc DRK is really good on fodders (Morta, Ig-Alima, Caturae in Provenance), on higher level mobs Vere MNK should be the winner.
That said, I never had to compete against a good Ragnarok DRK to compare how agressive we both play.

**Dotsudoku** · 2012-12-19 07:53

Voidwatch is a perfect example of somewhere you shouldn't be using Apocalypse

**Arthars** · 2012-12-19 07:59

since pchan does not do legion, it all make sense now on all the shit he sprout from his mouth

i can totally see his MNK die every wave and deal the best damage in the 1 min hes alive

and apoc isnt useless in lowman event or even in legion where people no longer bring dual box into it and can cure self. in legion staying alive is the best DD but i guess you will never understand it

it is situational but definately not useless

**noodles355** · 2012-12-19 09:18

Originally Posted by Dotsudoku

While killing them all slower than PLD, BLU, RDM, or anyone else who can cleave? '~'

The addition of one weapon (and with it one WS) changes what the job is capable of. That's the difference. Just cus a pld or rdm can cleave faster in campaign doesn't mean shit. Rdm has always been able to be self-efficient but the addition of one weapon/WS like Almace/CDC doesn't suddenly make it good on endgame content. The reverse is not true for Drk and Apoc.

It's not "I'm so great I can solo shit and other jobs can't". It's "I can now solo shit I couldn't before".

**Limlight** · 2012-12-19 09:45

you guys really will argue over the dumbest shit lol

**Mercilessturtle** · 2012-12-19 10:44

Every time pchan says something stupid, everyone rushes to try to out-stupid him like its a contest.

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 13:03

Originally Posted by Dotsudoku

Voidwatch is a perfect example of somewhere you shouldn't be using Apocalypse

Don't know if you're serious.

Ok, for Akvan or naraka type of mobs you shouldn't, but I see no other reason to not use it in VW.

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 13:16

I know parses are not absolute truth but I think it reflects how you play and what your weapon tends to do, sample of morta's run :

Spoiler: show

**Taint** · 2012-12-19 13:35

While we don't know the entire story behind those numbers. (buffs etc) The Koga SAM (Fthis) is doing a lot less damage then I would have guessed.

**Indalecia** · 2012-12-19 13:38

Yeah, that had me scratching my head too. Did he die?

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 13:38

But still i'm impressed by the total WS damages.

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 13:38

Originally Posted by Indalecia

Yeah, that had me scratching my head too. Did he die?

We both died.

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 13:50

Anyway, as I said it's not an absolute truth, he should have been in my party to really compare but what I see is Apoc dmg relies a lot on melee dmg and ws frequency while koga's dmg relies almost exclusively on ws dmg and frequency.
So in short fights I think koga's nearly unbeatable.

**Darkmagi** · 2012-12-19 14:53

You don't have misses unfiltered to see how his accuracy is, his melee dmg split was pathetically low.

**Dotsudoku** · 2012-12-19 16:31

And no, an event that spits out surpluses of invincibility and backup restoration, whose primary deterrence is often damage output, is not an example of Apocalyse-friendly content

- If you're fighting fodder that dies quickly, you shouldn't be engaging before lights are capped

- If you're fighting relatively harder things that don't die quickly, you should be pumping as much damage as possible to make up for the rest of your (likely) horrible alliance

And yes, I'm aware that 'anything can be done with an Apocalypse la la', which is very true, but so long as we're trying to highlight the benefits of having one, voidwatch should be omitted

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 17:01

Originally Posted by Dotsudoku

And no, an event that spits out surpluses of invincibility and backup restoration, whose primary deterrence is often damage output, is not an example of Apocalyse-friendly content

- If you're fighting fodder that dies quickly, you shouldn't be engaging before lights are capped

- If you're fighting relatively harder things that don't die quickly, you should be pumping as much damage as possible to make up for the rest of your (likely) horrible alliance

And yes, I'm aware that 'anything can be done with an Apocalypse la la', which is very true, but so long as we're trying to highlight the benefits of having one, voidwatch should be omitted

The benefit i see to have Apoc is if you love playing DRK you'll play it in every situations.

**Dotsudoku** · 2012-12-19 17:03

I.. what?

Why bother to quote something when your response has literally nothing to do with it?

DRK is great, Apoc is more than capable in most situations, and no learned player would argue otherwise- that doesn't make highlighting <insert arbitrarily selected content here> as "Apoc-friendly" any less silly

**Detzu** · 2012-12-19 17:11

Originally Posted by Dotsudoku

And no, an event that spits out surpluses of invincibility and backup restoration, whose primary deterrence is often damage output, is not an example of Apocalyse-friendly content

- If you're fighting fodder that dies quickly, you shouldn't be engaging before lights are capped

- If you're fighting relatively harder things that don't die quickly, you should be pumping as much damage as possible to make up for the rest of your (likely) horrible alliance

And yes, I'm aware that 'anything can be done with an Apocalypse la la', which is very true, but so long as we're trying to highlight the benefits of having one, voidwatch should be omitted

It has something to do with what you said.
Btw i'm not saying Apoc is the most damaging weapon.

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