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  1. #12521
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    It's ok np.

  2. #12522
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDangerousDave View Post
    Well I just wanted to mention, because it seemed that Jem was saying Apoc is underrated "nowadays" as if it was well-known to be Godly at some time in FFXI history, that it never was. Apoc DRK was certainly a good DD at 75, but for general use was it ever mindblowing damage or the best? Outside of zerg I would certainly argue not. WAR was for sure stronger for general use, MNK was better in Salvage, RNG best in Odin etc. Sure, DRK was stronger and useful if you had poor mages or something but please, it has never been mindblowing in comparison to other jobs.

    Thats the thing, Apoc was broken (godly) up until the haste nerf and still top tier afterwards. Souleater was also very relevant back then and Apoc could pop it everytime it was up.

    75 cap relevant content: Kirin zerg, Bv2 zerg, DL zerg, Vrtra zerg, Tiamat/Khim/Cerb/Fluffhog/Omega Apoc tanked. Obviously its fantastic for Salvage,Einherjar,Limbus. It was not so great for DI, SW, KB or Aspid at 75.


    Bravura was 488 delay and still is

  3. #12523
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    75 cap relevant content: Kirin zerg, Bv2 zerg, DL zerg, Vrtra zerg, Tiamat/Khim/Cerb/Fluffhog/Omega Apoc tanked.
    You say this yet you and your shell was still doing Einherjar full time, DI and SW every day, camping KB and Aspid, occasionally doing limbus and people were of course still doing Salvage so choosing what you want to claim as "relevant" isn't really defence for Apoc's position as I was with you still doing all of the other content and others so you can't pretend it wasn't "relevant".

  4. #12524
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    Pretty sure he was saying what Apoc was great at. Not saying those were the only events people did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurell View Post
    Pretty sure he was saying what Apoc was great at. Not saying those were the only events people did.
    It reads to me as it is the only relevant content and DRK was oh so good at it. Even still I think they're terrible examples of trying to make Apoc out as Godly at 75 cap, do I need to point out why?

  6. #12526
    You wouldn't know that though because you've demonstrably never picked up a book nor educated yourself on the matter. Let me guess, overweight housewife?
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    This is the dumbest argument on BG atm. Knock it the fuck off our you can all have a time out.

    Happy holidays~

  7. #12527
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    Thats the thing, Apoc was broken (godly) up until the haste nerf and still top tier afterwards. Souleater was also very relevant back then and Apoc could pop it everytime it was up.
    Yeah, that kinda surprised me once I got mine. I've always been a rather, ah...aggressive drk. But I noticed almost most immediately that I can keep up SE on cd. This weapon keeps making me rethink how I do shit.

  8. #12528
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indalecia View Post
    Yeah, that kinda surprised me once I got mine. I've always been a rather, ah...aggressive drk. But I noticed almost most immediately that I can keep up SE on cd. This weapon keeps making me rethink how I do shit.
    Apoc changes the way you play the job and is just downright fun to use, especially with capped haste.

  9. #12529
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    Pew pew!

    http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...pseabf27bf.png

    Thanks Blaize for the loan he doesn't know about yet!

    Now I need to just gear RNG... and level it... and skill it up.... Hmmm...

    (I know 75 only but slightly more on topic and at least I have marrows waiting >_>)

  10. #12530
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Pew pew!

    http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...pseabf27bf.png

    Thanks Blaize for the loan he doesn't know about yet!

    Now I need to just gear RNG... and level it... and skill it up.... Hmmm...

    (I know 75 only but slightly more on topic and at least I have marrows waiting >_>)


    Grats man!

    The 2nd SE ups the merit WS limit thats the first Relic I'm making....I would feel so gimp without LS.

  11. #12531
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    When did blaize get so... big...

  12. #12532
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodles355 View Post
    When did blaize get so... big...
    Largest Elvaan combined with me being smallest Hume F. Used to be comical when we tanked together all the time and I was like up to his waist and his shield was basically the same size as me.

    And yeah Taint, just in the process of shifting my merits at the minute to get Last Stand although the 3 WS'es only is annoying.

  13. #12533
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    Grats Jem! :D :D :D



    Also on topic:

    http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/a...9_200242-1.jpg

    Yes, I joined the bandwagon, makes me a little ashamed - but hey, I like big ws numbers and winning parses too!

  14. #12534
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    What pair of gauntlets is Jem wearing, Huginn?

  15. #12535
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    Quote Originally Posted by Death View Post
    What pair of gauntlets is Jem wearing, Huginn?


    Looks like


    Alcedo Gauntlets RareEx

    [Hands] All Races
    DEF:37 VIT+7 MND+7 Accuracy+8 Enmity+5 Haste+4% Set: Magic damage taken -5%
    LV 99 WAR PLD DRK

  16. #12536
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    Looks like


    Alcedo Gauntlets RareEx

    [Hands] All Races
    DEF:37 VIT+7 MND+7 Accuracy+8 Enmity+5 Haste+4% Set: Magic damage taken -5%
    LV 99 WAR PLD DRK
    Don't think so. This is the pic posted on FFXIAH for those:

    http://static.ffxiah.com/images/ss/m...82PHAp7N97.jpg

    Whatever that is Jem's wearing, they look pretty nifty.

  17. #12537
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  18. #12538
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    What Tam said. I do have Alcedo Gauntlets too but rarely ever use them, they're like PLD only and incredibly situational at that.

    Grats Tam! You still have to WAR for legion though for Tomahawk!

  19. #12539
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    You mean I still have to whm for Legion, right? :/

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    First relic for me (*'-') finally


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