Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[shaggnix]

Amano+Yoichi work great together, something else to consider if you have Bow already.

out of curiosity, why is this?

[Taint]

out of curiosity, why is this?

Relic AM overwrite Emp AM. So anytime you use Namas you lose ODD from Masa. Where as with Amano you can use Kaiten/Shoha/Namas at will.

[Prothescar]

I'm almost done with an Amano and will work on a Yoichi afterward. Would I be better off 99ing my Masamune? Probably. But I've wanted Amano since forever, so that's what I'm getting!

[Draylo]

I'm almost done with an Amano and will work on a Yoichi afterward. Would I be better off 99ing my Masamune? Probably. But I've wanted Amano since forever, so that's what I'm getting!

Whattttt

[Prothescar]

Don't worry I'm 99ing Almace too you silly goose

[fantasticdan]

Guttler is pretty cool if you actually intend to play BST (go hardcore and do Aymur, obviously). Gungnir is awful.

Guttler doesn't help bst do what it excels at thou (pet tanking). Yeah, it's the best DD axe for soloing easy things or for regular party/alliance play, but I can't think of any situations where I would use it (outside of aby), that I wouldn't also be better off changing jobs.

If guttler had pet -DT on it so it was a straight upgrade from a pdt axe, I would make one in a heartbeat. As it is, I would never bother, regardless of how much I like bst.

[Chamaan]

Annihilators because guns are badass. Also because Rng is getting changes eventually (according to Matsui) that raise recycle traits to extremely high levels. Fulltiming Adaman Bullets will be much more viable when the scarcity of them on the AH isn't such a big issue because you're spending them less often.

[Ranth]

Guttler is pretty cool if you actually intend to play BST (go hardcore and do Aymur, obviously). Gungnir is awful.

But Gungnir does bring you closer to the more popular DDs. Particularly in Legion. I don't feel like I've wasted gil at all. Sure, I might feel that way if I had the time to actually pursue Ryunohige.. but since I don't, I feel like it was gil well spent, even if the weaponskill and aftermath are garbage. The weapon isn't awful by any means; it's just not a Ryunohige. Since dynamis is so easy to farm anyways I'd recommend any dragoon that's serious about keeping up with the others farm one on the side; and the last stage is whiteshells (can't speak for others, but these are always considerably cheaper than the other types on my server). Though I suppose my view might be different since I got my marrows for free through my linkshell.

[Dotsudoku]

Gungnir DRG is nowhere near the more popular DD. Ryunohige DRG barely scrapes by, and is almost twice as good as Gungnir.

[fantasticdan]

But Gungnir does bring you closer to the more popular DDs. Particularly in Legion. I don't feel like I've wasted gil at all. Sure, I might feel that way if I had the time to actually pursue Ryunohige.. but since I don't, I feel like it was gil well spent, even if the weaponskill and aftermath are garbage. The weapon isn't awful by any means;

It's as awful as a relic can get, outside of claustrum. Useless WS, useless aftermath, and an additional effect that is worse than useless; it potentially hurts your group by overwriting stronger defense down effects. I can't imagine drg is able to make use of the acc on it really either.

[noodles355]

yoichi is pretty much useless from what i understand, but i'm neither a sam nor a rng

Is Yoichi useless? It's enmity is double Annihilators (160 CE vs 80 CE) but that's not going to change anything realistically. I don't know what the damage difference will be like Yoichi is about 26DMG behind from weapon/ammo and .25ftp less, but has better mods (4agi/40str vs 30agi/40dex). Yoichi will benefit from being closer to the sweet spot on things where you need to stay out of AoE range, when enmity will actually matter (the whole point of both weapons).
What yoichi lacks is a powerful WS when enmity isn't an issue (Like Last Stand). But if you already have Armageddon you could just switch to that for Last Stand.

In fact I do wonder: If you already have an Armageddon to cover times when you want to pump out Last Stand without worrying about enmity, would Yoichi be better than Arma? Better sweet spot damage and better mods vs higher base damage and .25 more ftp. I guess Anni has better DPS than Yoichi though - easier to X-hit and only 58 more delay.

[Fake]

Sounds like you just answered your own question

[Darkmagi]

Semi on topic, but does relic aftermath overwrite mythic lvl3 aftermath? Could use namas arrow for some skillchain purposes with koga.

[noodles355]

Sounds like you just answered your own question

Not really. I weighed up the pros of each but I don't know how they compare to each other.

Is the simpler STP requirements worth the increased delay? (which has better DPS?)
Is the sweet spot bonus and better WSC stronger than the additional FTP and higher base damage?

[Prothescar]

Yoichi is a SAM weapon, and in that it's only for utility

[Aylee]

Guttler is pretty cool if you actually intend to play BST (go hardcore and do Aymur, obviously). Gungnir is awful.

I was happy with my Gungnir but only because I loved playing drg. But cost vs reward it was horrible.

[Taint]

Yoichi also comes with a big ACC boost.

While I wouldn't argue its better then Anni a lot of that is because of Last Stand.

[noodles355]

Yoichi also comes with a big ACC boost.

While I wouldn't argue its better then Anni a lot of that is because of Last Stand.

Exactly, and every inquiry I've made is with "If you have 99 Armageddon already for when damage is more important than enmity". I don't know which is stronger between 20AGI vs 30Ratt on Last sand, but if it's similar to exenterator (which I've been told as an estimate is 2agi=5att) then Arma will have stronger Last Stands. If you take Last Stand out of the equation due to 99 Arma, which is better? No one has actually given an answer to that.

To tl;dr it: The no.1 reason people do Anni over Yoichi is for Last Stand, but if you already have a 99 Arma to cover "pure DD, fuck enmity" potential, and thus the only situations you're considering are "enmity and mob AoE are a big issue", then which is better?

(Prothescar, I thought you were better than just stating the bandwagon option without actually explaining why. Not attacking, just surprised and a bit disappointed).

[Prothescar]

Should be fairly obvious why you'd never use Yoichi over Annihilator if you already have the Annihilator, especially since you've said it yourself numerous times already. Didn't feel it required further explaination beyond "Last Stand is better than anything Archery has"

Didn't see the arma bit, but if for some reason you have a Yoichi and an Armageddon but no Annihilator for your RNG then clearly using Namas on things where you're monitoring enmity would be the superior option.

[noodles355]

but if you already have a 99 Arma

Come on man, read. I never said "If you have Anni and Yoichi". I meant "If you have Arma, and were considering Yoichi or Anni".