Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[Darkmagi]

I don't know about you, but I really don't have a hard time maintaining lvl3 aftermath for nonzerg content. Obviously you can get unlucky and lose a good bit of DPS when you're gambling with the last bit of your AM Duration to build 300tp, but it's not a common occurrence. It's a huge pain without capped magic haste though.

[Fiendishone]

The moment you find a COR that's willing to specialize rolls for individual DD in a party, point them in my direction.

I have before, it really isn't that difficult to coordinate either. You can thank the band wagon abyssea CORs with their laser tag rifles for the lack of competence.

[Viar]

^

People tend to assume that cor works just like brd, when that is far from the case. cor lacks the ability to target a single player like brd does, nor can they overwrite a buff that they already have on them. I don't know how many times I've been asked to rotate parties as cor and do chaos/tact on both parties. I used to care enough in VW to step aside and give myself tact after giving the melee chaos/miser's, but it just wasn't worth the time. all in all, it's hard enough sometimes to give mages and melee different buffs without someone messing it up. I'm partly glad refresh roll is utter crap now compared to what brd or rdm(lol) can offer.

I'm not sure why is it even hard to specialize rolls, it's not convenient, but with a little bit more effort it's doable. I always got plenty of "down time" in VW to do myself tact without sacrificing my output. Before gold chest clear, when you just entered Prov BC, when ppl entered slow.....that's easily enough time to do rolls. I have no problem popping tact/wizard on myself(or at least just wizards if pt is fast and efficient) in prov BC after I got in and was waiting for pt to engage. Even after engage do another roll on self still often provide higher output than no roll at all.

It's also not very hard to give different DD different rolls if you stand on correct position, you just need to stand very far away, that only the closest DD(the DD that needs special rolls) got hit. Give every DD DA roll, then chaos, then move far away to a position that only the SAM gets the roll, do SAM roll. Or just ask the SAM to move spot if NM haven't pop yet. You can always just roll before pop and utilize random deal if you're in a hurry. Full winning streak merit would help a lot in this case.

The only time I feel specialized roll isn't worth it is either in mid-battle(and only when my output > certain %, usually in VW, but VW usually end before roll wears anyways) or when you're really in a hurry to pop rolls and no No.11 up nor reset JA. Otherwise it's entirely possible to adjust positions. If I know my output < certain % and certain DD benefits more from other roll, I'd just do it on him if I get a chance and see him standing on a convenient spot.

Doing refresh roll is certainly a waste of time in VW though. In other event such as salvage2 or legion it may be more useful.

as much as i'm sure you already get the jist of why that's a silly suggestion (teehee), until corsair get their own version of pianissimo (unlikely), OR, until everyone's rolling mythics like empyreans/relics (unlikely yet again, unless you're in a yoloswag420dubsronpaul2012-tier shell), gimping everyone non-mythic with samurai roll instead of fighter's roll = ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

You don't need Pianissimo to specialize rolls period. I've done chaos+DA on melee, chaos+tact on RNG then wiz+tact or chaos+hunter many times in VW without a problem, that's like 4 specialized roll for 3 different DDs. More like everyone is stuck with "I need Pianissimo to do more than 2 rolls" mentality.

[Cairthenn]

But do you specialize rolls for different close-ranged DDs based on their weapon type? Because then you have to coordinate where they're standing, and when you're involving people that aren't yourself in your tasks, things become a bit more frustrating.

Granted, I know I used to do this on BRD all the time when I played BRD (before Pianissimo), but BRD doesn't involve double-ups and busts.

[Obsidian]

You don't need Pianissimo to give different people different songs either, but it sure makes everyone's life a lot easier.

[Viar]

But do you specialize rolls for different close-ranged DDs based on their weapon type? Because then you have to coordinate where they're standing, and when you're involving people that aren't yourself in your tasks, things become a bit more frustrating.

Granted, I know I used to do this on BRD all the time when I played BRD (before Pianissimo), but BRD doesn't involve double-ups and busts.

Really depend on my output in that situation. In prov KI BC I'm often parse top with 3~5k WF and often able to compete or even surpass other melees, then I wouldn't waste time to adjust position and do specialized rolls after engage since ally would lose more dmg than that 1 mythic gaining dmg if it wears mid-battle(although if the battle is smooth it should last until the end). Also if I'm weakened and hitting 0, or before we enter there's nothing to lose if you do extra roll. Although I didn't do it because Mythic DDs never ask and I didn't know if they need different rolls, they should really ask for specialized roll more and I'd just at very least try to pop one on him before enter. I agree it's a bit harder to do it mid-battle cuz it rely on DD standing on convenient spot and need extra work/communication. But it's not impossible and depending on DD and COR's determination to play perfect. Sometimes ppl are just lazy.

[dasva]

How exactly do you get 5k wf in provenence?

[barber2006]

Sams always stand right in front if the mob due to overwhelm. The mob is usually facing a war or drk. That's what makes it so hard to specialize rolls/songs in vw. I just can't get the melees to spread even 1' apart. Although I've never dealt with a mythic Sam. They might be more eager.

[Quantic Dream]

Take a day off from the forums and miss a good SAM debate!

Masamune gets 20str, Fudo that scales with TP, shits on Kaiten because of TPbonus JAs (Sekk,Haha), moonshade earring and the fact that SAM over TPs more then any other job.

60%+ Zanshin favors Masa over Amano as well.

Assuming both are 99 with perfect gear. Just how much better is Masa than Amano? Is it a massive difference or something that can be quantified by single digit percentage points? Can you put it into specific terms that I can understand? I see some people claim that Masa wins, but I never get the idea if it's a massive victory or a small one.

[Dotsudoku]

As in most cases, the difference is pronounced enough for it to make little sense to create an Amano from scratch right now, while not enough so to create a Masa if you've already invested in an Amano.

I'm sure there are perfectionists who may say 'both', but the difference probably won't show up in practice.

[pooter01]

It does depend a lot on the situation. best case scenario, I'd give masa ~10% lead over amano. maybe up to 15%. There are also situations where amano can come close to masa, but few where it will pull ahead. Basicly what dotsu said. If you're starting from scratch, best to make a masa. Main reason I did amano was because the entirety of my farming time was spent checking bazaars for cheap crap between eat/sleep/school/work/lsevents over the past year and a half, and selling it all higher. I'm sure i've bought enough currency to make three relics easily, but just kept selling it back to fund the one.

[Lain_Iwakura]

finished 03-01-2013
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[noodles355]

I'm often parse top with 3~5k WF

Bullshit.

[orac]

Guess I'll put this here

Spoiler: show

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[Viar]

How exactly do you get 5k wf in provenence?

The mobs in KI BC, not watcher. Fire shot proc can spike to 5k sometimes, had wizards roll, boost AGI, AGI songs and firestorm, food is squid sushi. 12/12 AGI merit. /BLM or /BLU, probably on firesday too.

[Viar]

Bullshit.

Which part do you call BS? "Parse top" or "3~5k WF"?


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No it doesn't always happen, but it can happen before you call it BS.

[dasva]

The mobs in KI BC, not watcher. Fire shot proc can spike to 5k sometimes, had wizards roll, boost AGI, AGI songs and firestorm, food is squid sushi. 12/12 AGI merit. /BLM or /BLU, probably on firesday too.

There is no probably about it. Doing the math even with fire shot, day/weather/iridescence, staff, fire atmacite, huge amounts of MAB and agi (amounts that are barely possible and make me think you don't use regain atmacite) and neutral mdb/mdt mobs you'd still barely break 5k

[Cairthenn]

before you call it BS.

Well it's a bit late for that.

[Viar]

There is no probably about it. Doing the math even with fire shot, day/weather/iridescence, staff, fire atmacite, huge amounts of MAB and agi (amounts that are barely possible and make me think you don't use regain atmacite) and neutral mdb/mdt mobs you'd still barely break 5k

The one on Rukh was done with regain/slayer/destruction. Exactly how much MAB and AGI you added when you math it?

[Darkmagi]

It's absolutely possible to wildfire them for 5k, it's not likely that you would be winning parses unless your DDs suck though.