Completed Relic/Mythic weapons list

[dasva]

Mahayaya Tizona completed 1/6/15. Minions LS, Shiva Server

That's not a pet job! Where's the KKK!?!

[Yeager]

That's not a pet job! Where's the KKK!?!

2 Nirvanas in progress, so chill! Oh, and another is working on getting 119 Farsha.

[Kuishen]

I know it's not good anymore but I've wanted it since I first started playing THF back in 2008. Definitely the best looking THF dagger in the game.

[Karizo]

I know it's not good anymore but I've wanted it since I first started playing THF back in 2008. Definitely the best looking THF dagger in the game.

it's still good. best in situations where you can't keep up AM3 with vajra. triple damage proc is just so fun with DW jobs like thf and nin. I think mercy stroke is actually better than rudra under a certain TP, like 1500 or 1750, I forget the exact number.

[Kuishen]

it's still good. best in situations where you can't keep up AM3 with vajra. triple damage proc is just so fun with DW jobs like thf and nin. I think mercy stroke is actually better than rudra under a certain TP, like 1500 or 1750, I forget the exact number.

Fairly certain that's incorrect. AM3 isn't what makes Vajra so good, it's the huge damage boost on SA/TA. AM3 is great and all but it doesn't actually do that much for Rudra's, whereas the boost to SA/TA does. Also I'm pretty sure Byrth debunked the whole "you should hold tp to 1750 for Rudra's." if you have Moonshade Earring.

[Celebrindor]

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Finished lv.75 version 1/1/15, fully upgraded 1/10/15 after a week out of town.

Always wanted, had to do it first. Now I can do a real one. Thank you so much to those who made this insane dream a reality, to try and mention y'all would inevitably leave someone out, just know that whether it was crappy assaults or nyzul runs you didn't need but I did, thank you. In particular though, thank you members of CC for help and support of a stalwart RDM who won't give up the job no matter how irrelevant!

[Infinite]

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[Karizo]

Fairly certain that's incorrect. AM3 isn't what makes Vajra so good, it's the huge damage boost on SA/TA. AM3 is great and all but it doesn't actually do that much for Rudra's, whereas the boost to SA/TA does. Also I'm pretty sure Byrth debunked the whole "you should hold tp to 1750 for Rudra's." if you have Moonshade Earring.

So does that mean it's 1500 for the cut-off for Mercy/Rudra? or does Mercy never outperform Rudra ever?

[Byrthnoth]

Motenten's spreadsheet tells me ~1600 TP is best for Rudra's Storm now. 1000 TP would be the most efficient expenditure of TP, but every time you WS you are incurring 2 seconds of forced delay. Rudra's scales really well from 1000 to 2000 TP, so it actually benefits you to WS a little less often and incur a little less delay and that makes the difference.

[Kuishen]

So does that mean it's 1500 for the cut-off for Mercy/Rudra? or does Mercy never outperform Rudra ever?

Unless I'm doing something wrong, the spreadsheet shows Izhii/Atoyac with WS damage +2% and OAT as best dagger combo sans Vajra, so you shouldn't even have access to Mercy.

The extra 15 DEX and the base damage do a lot for Rudra's.

[NynJa]

On what? You're losing like 60 acc offhanding atoyac over a 119.

[Kuishen]

On anything you don't need an acc set for, and stuff you need an acc set for... you'll be in an acc set and getting acc buffs so it doesn't matter?

Also THF/WAR only has 30 seconds of downtime on self-acc buffs/evasion down on mob, assuming stuff doesn't get dispelled.

[NynJa]

So gimping your offhand 60 acc (30% hit rate) is offset by WSDMG+2 and OAT?? The fact your first sentence is "shit you dont need acc for" leads me to think that its trivial shit that doesnt matter to begin with.

[shepardG]

hey, if i can kill brulo faster to get these last 22 colorless souls, i'm all about that life. azdaja too.

but even in delve 2 if that dagger combo + sushi parses higher than anything else + red curry, i'm all about that life

But then again... none of it really matters cause chances are i'm gonna kill both things i'm fighting and it's gonna take the same ammount of time (aka finding folks to do it with)

[dasva]

Why would you use acc set/buffs that you know would put you at least 60 over the cap on your mainhand? Sounds like a waste of a buff just to enable your offhand

[Kuishen]

So gimping your offhand 60 acc (30% hit rate) is offset by WSDMG+2 and OAT?? The fact your first sentence is "shit you dont need acc for" leads me to think that its trivial shit that doesnt matter to begin with.

Like I said in the beginning, unless I'm doing something wrong in the spreadsheet, that's what it says. The highest thing on there is Tojil (which according to spreadsheet is level 130). Maybe in high-level Incursion that changes, I don't know, my ls doesn't actually do Incursion above 130. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

By all means though, show me data that says otherwise and I'll adjust accordingly instead of arguing with me without presenting an actual argument.

I'm completely open on how to be a better player, I'm just working with the data that I have and it shows that dagger combo as being best on everything available on that spreadsheet. It's assuming 3+ songs, Dia II, Sam and Attack rolls on party-related content. If you can find gearsets/some configuration that make other daggers better then be my guest, I haven't been able to.

[NynJa]

I'm just saying it seems incredibly suspect that WSDMG+2 will cause that much of a discrepancy over losing 30% hit rate in offhand with OAT. How about offhanding Sandung, which wont have crap accuracy and has WSDMG+5?

[Kuishen]

Sandung is garbage. I don't think ACC is as big of a deal as you're making it out to be, especially when THF/WAR. On AA fights when you're /nin or higher level incursion then yeah that's a huge difference, but on stuff like Tojil I don't have ACC issues in my main tp set without outside acc buffs/sushi.

For reference my party TP set is:
Izhiikoh/Atoyac/-/Ginsen
Felistris Mask/Asperity/Brutal/Suppa
Thaumas/Qaaxo(A)/Epona's/Rajas
Bleating/Patentia/Iuitl+1(Dbl attack +2)/Plunderer's +1

With STP being a huge DPS boost with Rudra's current state, the OAT makes a big difference.

[NynJa]

Acc isnt a big deal? WAT!?

[Kuishen]

Acc isnt a big deal? WAT!?

On the things I've been talking about, when /war. C'mon dude, you're better than this.