Dynamis Interview from Vana’diel Tsuushin Vol. 7

[Tulun]

It is likely equal.. the biggest problem is relic is not necessary desirable for that job.

I think people would complain *slightly* less if all relic armor was actually something you'd use... (DRK vs RDM... e.g...)

Oh, and fuck off SE with the instance bullshit. I'm glad my server is small, congestion is less of an issue.. but I can't imagine how bad it is on the full servers. They mighta gotten away with 1 zone if Dynamis wasn't an up to 4 hour event...

[Colenzo]

Generic Person: <insert question about game mechanics here>
SE: "Ancient Japanese Secret."
Generic Person: "Cool interview bro!"

rinse repeat for every question of this nature

[dejet]

why do they not just say "go read a fucking forum they have more/better info about our game"

really i think alla/KI could give us better info then this crap.

[Pikarya]

really i think Rambus could give us better info then this crap.

fixed

[Teorem]

Considering the fact it's not only obvious but proven at this point, ToAU jobs have a higher probability of dropping something relevant just for the simple fact they only compete with 2 other jobs. That in itself ridiculously increases said drop rate of any ToAU job.

I'd like to see this proof.

Again, you are assuming that the probabilities activating a drop from either pool are equal. They're not, otherwise if you sat down and totaled up the number of AF you've received from either pool over the course of a series of runs, they'd be close to equal.

EDIT: Not drop rate per se', just anyone who's /seacom'ing a ToAU relic having a higher probability of getting what they want.

No. You are glossing over the original probability of getting the drop to occur in the first place and only focusing on the potential drops within the pool.

Who cares about getting three times the chance of the ToAU/WotG AF you want--once an AF drops--if that pool's AF only drops 1/3 of the time compared to the other RotZ pool? You walk in and out of the run with the exact same probability of getting a specific job's AF as anyone else.

And so as not to be making a point without proof myself, I went back and added up the AF we've received since the September and December updates:

September - December (26 runs)
WAR-SMN total: 249 AF (min: 9, max: 27)
BLU/COR/PUP total: 60 AF (min: 11, max: 29)

December - April (32 runs)
WAR-SMN total: 316 AF (min: 10, max: 30)
BLU/COR/PUP/DNC/SCH total: 113 AF (min: 17, max: 26)

As expected, the drop pools are weighted accordingly.

[Aksannyi]

Interview was meh, comics were amusing.

Requesting more goblin dice meme comics!

As you wish! My take:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238802066


And for you lazy people, a template:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238802059
So there, now all of you can make moar.

[Issac]

<3

[Xno Kappa]

stuff

Again you completely miss the point, the validity of any said AF is completely subjective. This is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. We're simply discussing the fact that if two sets of AF can drop at any point, one set of 15 and another set of 3, this in itself speaks volume.

Simple example is 3 BLU's walking out happy compared to 3 BST pieces dropping in Dynamis-Beaucidine that are free lotted. I dare you tell me which has the higher probability of happening.

[Elesar]

Awesome interview, just what I always wanted. To be told exactly everything that I already knew about Dynamis.

LMAO I was thinking this same exact thing when I read this garbage of an interview. I feel sorry for the person that had to conduct the interview. He must have felt like he just wasted 30 minutes of his life on nothing.

[Teorem]

I'm not getting into the topic of which AF with higher utility should/does/could drop more often than the other. THAT's a subjective debate.

The question in the interview and the anecdotes in this thread was that certain jobs' AF dropped more often than others due to an explicit mechanism other than luck. I am only addressing that.

We're simply discussing the fact that if two sets of AF can drop at any point, one set of 15 and another set of 3, this in itself speaks volume.

It does not because the probabilities of the two sets of AF dropping ARE NOT EQUAL. How can I explain this any more plainly?

Simple example is 3 BLU's walking out happy compared to three 3 BST pieces dropping in Dynamis-Beaucidine that are free lotted. I dare you tell me which has the higher probability of happening.

The odds of having 3 BLU AF and 3 BST AF are drop in any run (other than cities where the drops may be excluded) are EXACTLY the same. Not only is it irrelevant that the 3 BLU AF are wanted and the 3 BST AF are free lot, but there could be another LS where the 3 BST go to people who want it and the 3 BLU are free-lot.

That does not change the overall drop probabilities. At all.

[Araelus]

Imageshack still not functioning properly for me. I'll use BG attachments.

Thank you to Elmer and Aksannyi!

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238803844

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238804361

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238803844

[Xno Kappa]

/sigh

It's like your purposely ignoring simple math, fine I'll cater to your mentality. If the same exact mob can drop an AF of any slot, if it decides to drop an RotZ AF its 1/15 of any particular job, ToAU on the other hand is 1/3. How is this not a better chance to get a ToAU AF?

[Anomander]

Just when you think SE is becoming responsive to the playerbase, they go back to their old standards of customer service (read: none). Although I despise WoW, Blizzard's customer service puts SE's to shame. On an unrelated note, Domaru meme had me rofling at work, 10/10

[Colenzo]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3981/lolt.jpg

[Izzy]

It's like your purposely ignoring simple math, fine I'll cater to your mentality. If the same exact mob can drop an AF of any slot, if it decides to drop an RotZ AF its 1/15 of any particular job, ToAU on the other hand is 1/3. How is this not a better chance to get a ToAU AF?

The slots do not have the same drop rate...

Like Teorem said.

Slot 1 (15 jobs' AF): chance of drop - 1/10 (10%) => chance of specific job's AF: 1/150
Slot 2 (5 jobs' AF): chance of drop - 1/30 (3.33%) => chance of specific job's AF: 1/150

The chance to get the AF is exactly the same. Just because it is in a different slot DOES NOT MEAN both slots have the same rate to drop AF.

What's with the passive-aggressive insults lately? New popular thing?

[Teorem]

My mentality? Not only have I demonstrated how the system very feasibly works, but I've also produced numbers backing up my claim. What exactly have you shown so far?

I have to say, the quote was pretty accurate.

You kill a Kindred.

1) The game tests, with probability p1, that a drop from the first pool of AF is allowed.
2) If the drop test comes back true it randomly picks one of the items in the pool. The odds that any one AF is selected from the pool (let's say, WAR) is thus 1/15 within that pool.
3) The game then tests, with probability p2, that a drop from the second pool of AF is allowed.
4) If the drop test comes back true, it randomly picks one of the items in the pool. The odds that any one AF is selected from the pool (let's say, BLU) is thus 1/5 within that pool.

Thus:
The odds that a Kindred drops WAR AF is (1/15)(p1)
The odds that a Kindred drops BLU AF is (1/5)(p2)

It is demonstrated--over the course of a series of runs, not just a single run--that:
- p1 IS NOT EQUAL to p2
- p1 IS GREATER THAN p2
- p1 IS APPROXIMATELY 3 TIMES p2

Thus:
The odds that a Kindred drops WAR AF is (1/15)(p1) = (1/15)(3*p2) = (1/5)(p2).
The odds that a Kindred drops BLU AF is (1/5)(p2).

Now, please try to explain to me how those two are not equal.

[Yugl]

As you wish! My take:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238802066


And for you lazy people, a template:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238802059
So there, now all of you can make moar.

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Dun dun! Dun dun!

[Aksannyi]

LOL @ Rick Roll

[Araelus]

You all thought of it - but did you think of this particular instance?

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...1&d=1238806513

Godwin's Law

[Issac]

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7...ndomparady.png

Dun dun! Dun dun!

Holy shit rofl