All Worlds Maintenance (Apr. 8)

[Not Kuno]

I already fixed Black Mage in the job adjustments thread:

Thats not too bad. I do like my idea though: Give blms MP back based on how much damage they do on a magic burst.

[Infini]

Helps but doesnt fix the underlying weaknesses for pts and merits x.x

[dejet]

im willing to bet even if blm had never ending MP a dd would still put out more DoT(read sam) then a blm. that is just messed up lol

my sam can dish out 1k WS every like 10sec thats not counting the avg hit added in. and none of this takes MP or is limited.

magic resists screw everything up. my 800 dmg gekkos still do 800 dmg even if i 2hr. but my manfont burst II after my co blm does it wont be doing no 2k dmg even MBed.

edit!: fast ass fix take all birds out of the game. and magic resists out and lets go back to 2004. man we got our fix and all blma re happy

[Ultimagi]

Make enemies build resistance to repeated use of the same physical damage type?

[dejet]

Make enemies build resistance to repeated use of the same physical damage type?

thing is even though i said nerf dd. i dont want them to lol it really was a joke. they just need to fix blm...

[Ultimagi]

Another good fix would be making elemental resistance and weakness actually effect the damage dealt by elemental magic. Why does Thunder outperform Fire on a Skeleton?

[Infini]

tbh for something like that to work theyd have to go and fix the base magic attack on all the elemental spells. From what i saw somewhere the attack on stone IV for example is far weaker than Thunder IV.
Edit: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ca...g_Magic_Damage

[Day]

Wrong thread wtf. Ignore me.

[Faithe]

I think black mage is okay. Come to think of it, I can't think of any FF game where BLM isn't bottom tier.

They're good at the start and just suck at the end, period.

[Shin Volcano]

That's where you're wrong Blm isn't broken but it needs a fix. In most situations it nukes less efficiently than a Sch. With Klimaform + weather buffs Sch actually is very close to Blm's resistant rates. A small amount more MAB and elemental gear and Sch will easily out nuke Blm on everything. Now It's true Blm can sub /Sch if they're as you put it "brave" for better nuking efficiency but I'd call it "stupid." Losing out on erase, stoneskin, gravity, and phalanx is not plausible in most scenarios Blm is in. Right now Sch is almost as good a nuker as Blm and has far more versatility. The only real edge Blm has over Sch is stun (which Rdm/Drk is better for,) higher level -ga nukes (extremely situational uses,) and Sleepga II.

While you may have a point, alot of players tend to be lazy, they want alot of power for very little effort, in order for SCH to reach that point of surpassing BLM they need to work alot harder to achive it vs a blm, it's hard to be a Very good sch vs a "good" blm. because with BLM for most situations it's Press a macro dish out a big number huge nuke, rinse, repeat, for SCH you press one macro, you most likly didn't put a scratch on it, for that same damage a good sch will need to press a series of macros in order to match or come close to matching said damage, choosing between cutting the MP cost, or enhancing it's potency, Point is, BLM can achive there damage "easier" vs a SCH, it's mainly Why i don't see very many good SCHs because most deem the job"to hard" to try and make a effort, with or without an update they will still be popular.

I'll point this part out...

Now It's true Blm can sub /Sch if they're as you put it "brave" for better nuking efficiency but I'd call it "stupid." Losing out on erase, stoneskin, gravity

I said "brave" because that's what i meant, you can't call somthing stupid because it takes a smart person to USE it properly, i have tried it and no did not take massive amounts of deaths either, in fact i was nuking my heart out and died less then any other blm in the group some cases not at all, you have to KNOW where to use it, you won't use gravity in every sitation, should already be RDM taking care of that, no one said solo as blm/sch. and you certainly don't always need erase, stoneskin is a big loss, but i have also worked my way around not dying without stoneskin. it works just like whm sub, most BLM won't use it but there are sitations where /whm IS helpful. Same applies to SCH, watching every BLM rest while you still have over half your MP after letting off 2 AM2s is a nice trait in my book. but i did use gaiters to my advantage so maybe i cheated...

Whm was in a similar boat but the biggest difference was they could actually use /Sch incredibly effectively and it also had popularity in exp parties (even meripo.) If Blm doesn't need an update than Whm didn't at all. Not only that Blm is useless in almost all parties. Also their are only a few NMs that melee or rngs aren't a lot better on (and very soon Cor will easily out parse Blms on great Wyrms.) Blm isn't a over powered job it's just a good DD on some NMs mostly because it can provide support and keep itself alive.

What? WHm actually NEEDED the update because due to accession+na/erase it put one of WHMs primary use to shame, an ability that aoes spells vs whm once every 10 minutes did put a big dent in WHM, and having both jobs i found SCH to be far more helpful in almost every situation i was normally using WHM, you can't compare blm needing an update to obvious flaws WHM had vs SCH, Because WHM is obvious, BLM is still a very powerful job, it just has met it's match.

[Destinye]

I love how people say a SCH can outnuke a BLM so easily. As said, SCH has to work A LOT harder, not only are they more balanced because they can do BOTH nuking and healing, BLMs can obtain a lot more gear and even merit elemental magic proficiency. SCH can nuke more efficiently which is true, but some of the gear most shells won't dream of giving a SCH e.g Novio.

So, if you take out SCH's storms, klimaform, ebullience and AF body, can they outnuke a BLM who's already decked out? No. SCH can 'outnuke' and 'outheal' a BLM/WHM but they have to work for it, just like a RDM has to work to enfeeble tougher mobs. So really, BLM doesn't 'need' a fix because as long as ToAU exists, BLM better get used to no partying. You could give BLM a 100% procing Death spell and you still won't get invited.

It's silly to say SCH can easily outnuke BLMs. It's just funny BLMs are denying that their job is already powerful as is..any stronger it WILL just be like 2004 again, which is clearly what they want.

[Day]

Shut up. You think BLM don't have to gear and merit too? You make zero sense. I love it.

[Kirbyprime]

See... only significant change since 2004 was that melee got better. Sushi (Well, Pizza now), 2h updates, ToAU. BLMs never got worse.

Don't kid yourself, BLMs never got a nerf. It was a slap on the wrist. At the very most, DM, which was the "exploit" at the time took 15 decently geared BLMs instead of 15 crappy RMT blms.

[The Blackrose]

So, if you take out SCH's storms, klimaform, ebullience and AF body, can they outnuke a BLM who's already decked out?

3/4 of those things you listed mean jack shit in the greater scheme of things once the build is set in place.

[Destinye]

3/4 of those things you listed mean jack shit in the greater scheme of things once the build is set in place.

And yet, it's being said a SCH can outnuke BLMs just oh so easily without even trying basically, yet it requires the SCH to do a lot more to even match a BLM, let alone 'surpass' them.

"In the greater scheme of things" BLM is still a lot more powerful than SCH, SCH is just a lot more MP efficient, and BLMs act like every SCH can just outnuke them...which is far from true. The potential is there, but that doesn't mean it will be reached, which is true for every job. As for this whole melee vs blm thing..two different job classes.

[Day]

You seem to be forgetting all the other fancy shit SCH can do, or ignoring it or something. The point is they shouldn't even come close, not even awesome gear and merits and OMG pushing 2 extra macros.

[Xno Kappa]

Why do people keep pointing out stupid shit from 2004 that's completely irrelevant to how the games played today?

[Knightfell]

but some of the gear most shells won't dream of giving a SCH e.g Novio.

So, if you take out SCH's storms, klimaform, ebullience and AF body, can they outnuke a BLM who's already decked out?

It's silly to say SCH can easily outnuke BLMs. It's just funny BLMs are denying that their job is already powerful as is..any stronger it WILL just be like 2004 again, which is clearly what they want.

I know better then to feed the trolls, but oh well.

Why wouldn't a SCH have a fair shot at novio, they are good nukers and deserve to have just as much chance of earning this piece of gear as any BLM.

Why would you "take out" part of a jobs abilties when doing side by side comparaisons?

And how is it "more work" that SCH has to put in then BLM to "outnuke" them? (Aside from spamming JA's and charges) Last I checked soloing most of your elemental/enfeeble/mage stat merits is a tad fair bit of work, along with getting the nice shinys. (Novio,Heralds,etc) My gear is not perfect, (No morrigains) but it's far from gimp.

Their isn't anything wrong with a Hybrid outdamaging a specialist if they are better geared and skilled, What is wrong is when skill/gear is equal, and the Hybrid still wins out.

I'm currently leveling the job and having an absolute blast, its alot of fun and I can see why people enjoy it so much, I do believe that SCH is actually balanced quite well, and would like to see them recive further adjustments, namely improve helix resist rates on certain mobs.

But it strikes me as almost dishonest to sit here and accuse people who merely want to see the job they love receive some love and attention, and maybe given some new toys to play with to keep the job interesting and fresh,

None of which (need) involve more powerful nukes.

[orson]

While you may have a point, alot of players tend to be lazy, they want alot of power for very little effort, in order for SCH to reach that point of surpassing BLM they need to work alot harder to achive it vs a blm, it's hard to be a Very good sch vs a "good" blm. because with BLM for most situations it's Press a macro dish out a big number huge nuke, rinse, repeat, for SCH you press one macro, you most likly didn't put a scratch on it, for that same damage a good sch will need to press a series of macros in order to match or come close to matching said damage, choosing between cutting the MP cost, or enhancing it's potency, Point is, BLM can achive there damage "easier" vs a SCH, it's mainly Why i don't see very many good SCHs because most deem the job"to hard" to try and make a effort, with or without an update they will still be popular.

I'll point this part out...



I said "brave" because that's what i meant, you can't call somthing stupid because it takes a smart person to USE it properly, i have tried it and no did not take massive amounts of deaths either, in fact i was nuking my heart out and died less then any other blm in the group some cases not at all, you have to KNOW where to use it, you won't use gravity in every sitation, should already be RDM taking care of that, no one said solo as blm/sch. and you certainly don't always need erase, stoneskin is a big loss, but i have also worked my way around not dying without stoneskin. it works just like whm sub, most BLM won't use it but there are sitations where /whm IS helpful. Same applies to SCH, watching every BLM rest while you still have over half your MP after letting off 2 AM2s is a nice trait in my book. but i did use gaiters to my advantage so maybe i cheated...

Try doing puddings with /Sch even if you're in a group you'll end up not being able to rest because without erase and SS an elemental DoT will wreck you (this ruins a huge plus side of Blm which is survivability and self reliance.) Try doing Ouryu or Tiamat without SS and erase you'll get fucked up.

What? WHm actually NEEDED the update because due to accession+na/erase it put one of WHMs primary use to shame, an ability that aoes spells vs whm once every 10 minutes did put a big dent in WHM, and having both jobs i found SCH to be far more helpful in almost every situation i was normally using WHM, you can't compare blm needing an update to obvious flaws WHM had vs SCH, Because WHM is obvious, BLM is still a very powerful job, it just has met it's match.

That's not really the exact same argument as to why Blm needs an update but it's true Sch basically out nukes Blm in most fights. Sch has more versatility all it'll take is Sch getting added to a few existing and/or new armors and it'll be just as potent as Blm in almost every scenario. Not only that on higher end mobs that are more evasive against magic like Tiamat Cor is close to surpassing Blm as the top DD. So where does this leave Blm? They'll get into HNM fights and endgame events when there aren't enough good geared/merited Schs and Cors. Already Blm is pointless in exp parties it won't be much longer if other jobs keep getting new gear and buffs they'll become less and less popular. The only reason it doesn't seem like Sch and Cor are better is because most people aren't well geared and merited on those jobs.

I love how people say a SCH can outnuke a BLM so easily. As said, SCH has to work A LOT harder, not only are they more balanced because they can do BOTH nuking and healing, BLMs can obtain a lot more gear and even merit elemental magic proficiency. SCH can nuke more efficiently which is true, but some of the gear most shells won't dream of giving a SCH e.g Novio.

So, if you take out SCH's storms, klimaform, ebullience and AF body, can they outnuke a BLM who's already decked out? No. SCH can 'outnuke' and 'outheal' a BLM/WHM but they have to work for it, just like a RDM has to work to enfeeble tougher mobs. So really, BLM doesn't 'need' a fix because as long as ToAU exists, BLM better get used to no partying. You could give BLM a 100% procing Death spell and you still won't get invited.

It's silly to say SCH can easily outnuke BLMs. It's just funny BLMs are denying that their job is already powerful as is..any stronger it WILL just be like 2004 again, which is clearly what they want.

It's not silly to say Sch can outnuke Blms because it's been proven. Gear and merits work both ways Blm needs to work extremely hard on gear and merits just like any job. A LS that wouldn't give a Novio to a Sch is retarded. Also in 2004 the reason Blm was so strong is because melees weren't nearly as strong as they are now. Melee tactics have completely changed since then too supporting melee is far more productive then supporting Blms. Not only that Blm has received multiple nerfs to tone it down. The thing is even if you took away all those nerfs Blm would still not any where near the damage out put that melee do in +95% fights.

[Destinye]

You seem to be forgetting all the other fancy shit SCH can do, or ignoring it or something. The point is they shouldn't even come close, not even awesome gear and merits and OMG pushing 2 extra macros.

So that's the issue? No mage should compare to BLM..ever?