PSA regarding Cuchulain's Mantle

[Araelus]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/attac...9&d=1238838741

[shaddix]

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[Araelus]

Imageshack is fixed or something, so I'm taking down the BG hosted image.

[Max™]

I'm a 2hed melee with an accuracy boosting JA/paladin.

So I have 292 Skill + Aggressor roughly 3/4ths of the time, and .75 Acc for Dex, yet I still rock the PCC, and would use Cuchs if I had the gil/wasn't using the excuse that my (FUCKING NQ) Cerb mantle Enm is there for a reason.

or

I have an A+ 1hed job that only needs enough Att to not hit for 0 Dmg, so Sushi Sushi Sushi motherfuckers Sushi, and as Neo pointed out, I'd still use Cuch if I had the gil for it, and wasn't convincing myself that my (FUCK, STILL NQ) Cerb mantles Enm was there for a reason.

[VZX]

Even if it's not capped, it's really hard to say that 7-8 accuracy is better than 13-15 attack. It's like... trading Usukane/Noritsune Kote to Ochi/Bandomusha Kote.

[BerenTebogo]

Even if it's not capped, it's really hard to say that 7-8 accuracy is better than 13-15 attack. It's like... trading Usukane/Noritsune Kote to Ochi/Bandomusha Kote.

Just because it sounds stupid in your head doesn't actually make it stupid. 7-8 ACC is going to do more on a parse than 13-15 ATT.

Also, are people forgetting that DEX does more than just give you ACC?

[Raen Ryong]

I find it hard to justify Cuchulain's Mantle in most of my current builds

Anywhere I'm eating meat I typically have high enough accuracy that Cuch's boost will be insubstantial and/or partially wasted, and if I need to eat sushi/pizza I will typically want Forager's +Attack.

It's just so fiddly right now for such a large price tag which makes it unattractive to me at least.

[Max™]

Think it through.

100 Hits, haste aside, lets say you do 100 Dmg per hit base.

90% Acc, thats 9000 Dmg.

WHAT NINETHOUSAND?!?!?!

You put on 8 Acc, thats 94% Acc roughly, 9400 Dmg.
You put on 15 Att, how much of an increase does that have to give to beat 8 Acc?

Roughly 5 Dmg per hit.

Lemme see if I recall how to work out pDif boosts.

Say 400 Att with 100 Dmg weapon vs 400 Def target for simplicity of mah brain.

400/400 = 1 x 100 = 100 Dmg per hit, yay, math still works.
415/400 = 1.0375 x 100 = 103 Dmg per hit, neat, I'm not as dumb as I thought!

[Araelus]

They should just remove Crapaud Earring and Cuchulain's Belt from the game and let Cuch Mantle drop in the Shells/Wings fights.

Max™, info for 2-handed pDIF is weird right now, and remember that it's really Att/Def = range of pDIF values, but in terms of average pDIF = cRaitio... sure why not.

And at 90% accuracy they're eating meat, that +4% accuracy is adding a lot more damage than it seems, right? Or was the 400 att before food.

[Max™]

SHADDUP, I FELT SMART FOR A SECOND DAMMIT!

I'M NOT A MATHOLOGIST, I'M A THEORETICIAN! SHIT!

Just to make it more accurate.

400/300 = 1.3333~
415/300 = 1.3833~

So yeah, 15 Att is like 0.05 average pDif or some shit... which I'm sure Araelus will fix cause numbers are pointy and hurt my brains.

[Araelus]

I will "fix" the pDIF chart when I have time to sit around fighting another 700~ mobs. And I have to say VZX has been a huge help with that process.

Tetraquarks hurt my brain, so you have one up on me there, Max™.

...are we awake really early or really late at this point?

[Max™]

Particles are simple, just knots in space which act like compression waves in time!

*rambles on and on, then completes a timeloop to stop myself, so as to not derail this into a physics thread since it is Saths psa thread which I think has a better purpose*

I have always been awake in this moment, so this is the correct time, I would say.

[Colenzo]

idk i just had a bowl of honey nut cherios but its the morning yet i havent slept yet so im confused

[Araelus]

idk i just had a bowl of honey nut cherios but its the morning yet i havent slept yet so im confused

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[Max™]

You broke my tables, and because I was about to eat some honey nut cheerio's, you broke my brain.

[pchan]

Even if it's not capped, it's really hard to say that 7-8 accuracy is better than 13-15 attack. It's like... trading Usukane/Noritsune Kote to Ochi/Bandomusha Kote.

13 attack what ? Stop using NQ cerberus mantle already, amemet+1 is better and level 61... Charger mantle has 20 attack, so for my monk it'd be 7 acc 4 str vs 20 attack. I use the general rule 2 attack > 1 acc for monk whether it'd be melee or TP.. so umm, charger.

[Suiram]

13 attack what ? Stop using NQ cerberus mantle already, amemet+1 is better and level 61...

I don't think he meant NQ Cerberus. Foragers --> Cuchulain = -15 Attack + 1 STR, net change of 14-15 Attack. Amemet+1 --> Cuchulain = -15 Attack + 2 STR, net change of 13-14 Attack. So 13-15 Attack is accurate, and VZX is the kind of person who would account for that automatically, and take for granted that someone reading it would, too (considering he accounted for the Acc from DEX the same way).

[Starr]

Don't tell everyone so the price goes up
Also it's not better for me on WAR at Greater Colibri
Also this+ Blitz ring fo sho > Foragers/acc+7 ring.

[VZX]

Just because it sounds stupid in your head doesn't actually make it stupid. 7-8 ACC is going to do more on a parse than 13-15 ATT.

Also, are people forgetting that DEX does more than just give you ACC?

So assume there is no other gloves other than ochimusha/ochiudo kote and noritsune/usukane kote at 75. Is it clear that the acc option is the best one you can have at nearly capped acc? (~90%)

[Shinryuu]

I have capped hitrate on birds using blitz ring and amemet mantle +1 without relic or even adaman hauberk. For birds, Cuchulain's mantle would probably still be better for me 'cause I could change to lightning bow +1, gain 7 DEX, and come close to capped dDEX.

WAR, by the way.