PSA regarding Cuchulain's Mantle

[Raineer]

This is such a great thread on so many levels, /golfclap to all

Also, should be in advanced imo

[FailureMidgard]

This is such a great thread on so many levels, /golfclap to all

Also, should be in advanced imo

I thought advanced was reserved for posting patchnotes and useless drama threads.

[Raineer]

I thought advanced was reserved for posting patchnotes and useless drama threads.

Actually that's true. This thread has useful information and, as such, would be muddied in such an advanced environment.

Carry on

[Starr]

math ppl scare me, so please god don't somehow prove this true... all those hours in that goddamn desert....

Would only be for like birds and weaker mobs, for mamools+ go Aces/Cuch.

[Wolfknight]

Would only be for like birds and weaker mobs, for mamools+ go Aces/Cuch.

I use cuch/askar[don't have ace] and I still not quite capped acc on birds unless I am hassoing, so even their I'd use it/ace[on drg]

[Shinryuu]

I thought advanced was reserved for posting patchnotes and useless drama threads.

So true, Standard is the real forum here, with nice maths, honest questions with honest answers, and the occasional "I'm a newbie and I just started" kind of topic that will melt everyone's hearts.

Advanced is kinda like a boring political debate.

[deivi]

Would only be for like birds and weaker mobs, for mamools+ go Aces/Cuch.

would ace's/abyss work? new gear is out of the question for me been solo for over a year

[FailureMidgard]

would ace's/abyss work? new gear is out of the question for me been solo for over a year

Yes. Slightly inferior to Cuch...still better than other options though.

[Araelus]

why must you win so much

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6808/monk.png

So true, Standard is the real forum here, with nice maths, honest questions with honest answers, and the occasional "I'm a newbie and I just started" kind of topic that will melt everyone's hearts.

Advanced is kinda like a boring political debate.

Very true, and although the forum names are a case of tragic irony, I'm glad Standard is what it is.

[Yugl]

I don't think people are necessarily right when they say Morrigan's is always better than Mirage. At least, I don't think it's really been sufficiently debated, and the default opinion derives from the "between two nearly equivalent alternatives, rarer and more expensive = better" phenomenon in human reasoning. (That has a specific name I think but I forget it.)

I haven't really thought about it carefully before because I own the former but not the latter. Thinking about it now, if Morrigan's is better for TP it's probably going to be when fSTR isn't capped (or Accuracy is, as has been said) and you get 2 extra base damage per hit from it, which doesn't really apply in the foragers vs. cuchulains case.

That was my perception as well. It just seemed odd that there was this massive support for Morrigans > Relic Body when there is moderate support for Cuchu > Foragers.

[Antec]

Deserves to be an actual flowchart.


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/210/sathflow.png

All bards better go buy a cuch mantle.

[Tubbers]

Lots of win

I love this guy.

[MyTitthias]

So clearly all melees should get a hollow earring and toss that lame ethereal earring (if you don't have another acc earring)? I am currently deciding between the two. Mnk main.

[Starr]

Hollow is shit tons better for MNK...

[Starr]

Offensively*, before someone is all tanking AND DDing on my ass

[MyTitthias]

I was on the fence, because i was trying to rationalize the survivability increase of the additional hp and evasion whilst keeping att vs. the acc and additional counter. I was heavily leaning toward hollow.

[VZX]

OK, I think this is a better comparison for everyone:
PCC vs sea torque that doesn't give extra acc and atk from the raw stat.

If you think torque is better than PCC but saying cuchulain's is better than Atk+ back piece, you are contradicting yourself.

[FailureMidgard]

OK, I think this is a better comparison for everyone:
PCC vs sea torque that doesn't give extra acc and atk from the raw stat.

If you think torque is better than PCC but saying cuchulain's is better than Atk+ back piece, you are contradicting yourself.

I did the math in the media center somewhere. And you're wrong if you think a sea torque is better in most situations. That being said, sea torque is 1.8mil cheaper, so *shrug*.

PCC > Justice (even after counting the STR) for both jobs that can use it.
Love > PCC (and doesn't fall into the grouping you just said).
PCC is probably better than Faith, but nobody gave me good #s as to melee/WS split for a mnk, so I couldn't conclude much, but again, doesn't fall into the group you just said.

Anyone using any other torque is just using an inferior (and cheaper) item.

[Maxxthepenguin]

So what value of atk and what value of acc are equivalent in your model.
Please state your answer in the form of a ratio

[VZX]

I did the math in the media center somewhere. And you're wrong if you think a sea torque is better in most situations. That being said, sea torque is 1.8mil cheaper, so *shrug*.

I don't. And my statement didn't imply any of sort either.

PCC > Justice (even after counting the STR) for both jobs that can use it.

I said "... that doesn't give extra acc and attack from the raw stat". STR is a raw stat that gives attack. So this doesn't apply.

P.S:
Justice <-> PCC is similar to Faith <-> PCC. Faith Torque may give you an extra base damage, so does the 5 STR from Justice Torque (except it's guaranteed 1 fSTR with 25% chance of getting 2 fSTR).

So what value of atk and what value of acc are equivalent in your model.
Please state your answer in the form of a ratio

There is no clear cut answer to that, really. Even if any of either option win, it may just be 3-5 damage win, which will be overshadowed 90% of how well you engage the enemy/manage hate/other factors that many people like to ignore.