DNC @ events

[The Stig]

Waiting for Urat to come post his important message to all DNCs for more /popcorn lolz

Oh, if anyone was wondering, check the Random Fail Topic, page 37

[Kaludneisucks]

If you did not notice the issue was point out by a moderator couple of post ago. Unless you have reading issues then I’ am sorry to hear that.

OH SNAP! Wait.. no no mod said anything of the sort..

also with the personal attacks.. i must be getting trolled.

[el_tio]

This is honestly about the worst drama I've ever seen. I'm talking Valkurm Dunes-grade drama.

Anyways, I'm going to further this thread by derailing yet again because the image of thieves using sleeping pots and opo necklaces at Byakko brings me great lulz/sadness. So I thought I'd let that feeling stew a little.

Anyways, carry on. So I hear these dnc are really good at debuffing enemies?

[KoD]

Anyways, I'm going to further this thread by derailing yet again because the image of thieves using sleeping pots and opo necklaces at Byakko brings me great lulz/sadness. So I thought I'd let that feeling stew a little.

I got to agree with this Idk why u would even think of doing this!! Byakko fight shldnt last that long?!

On Topic, Only place i can honestly see the use for dncer is in Dynamis & Limbus (Exc. Proto U/O) for debuffing and healing melee!

[Tsuko_Asura]

Fear lies only in the heart of the victim

[Araelus]

Fear lies only in the heart of the victim

I must not bring DNC to events.
DNC is the mind-killer.
DNC is the little-melee that uses TP for debuffs and heals.
I will bring my DNC.
I will permit it to cure tanks and inflict Magic Evasion down.
And when the mob has died past I will check my parser to see the dmg %.
Where the DNC has fought there will be nothing.
Only PUP will remain.

[Shin Volcano]

DNCs job is not "Mainly" to DD so just like a mage job (not blm) don't expect them to do better then most other dds, they were made to be balanced while still being able to put up some numbers, it really depends on how coopertive your group is, i'v tried dancer in many events as a suggestion to test it out, Steps do alot more then you would think,

I mean being able to put defense and evasion down on any givin mob should be proof enough, i already explained there down sides to not being able to keep up with mage job heals in a post somewhere..but other then that, they can significatly raise the damage done to mobs, particulary on long drawn out fights, like chariot bosses for example, and thanks to NFR they don't even have to meele thus not feeding TP, so even for some HNM if they let you isn't a bad option, but like most newer jobs, alot won't give you a shot because of the basic dependance on the already commonly used jobs.

I mean if somone does Khim alot try it out on him, keep your back turned and just land steps on him, vs the main damage blm=stutter Meele =quick/box step, you may be surprised at the results.

It just depends on how open minded your group is.

[Toth]

I'll use our example as a segue:

Our setup was NIN MNK SAM DNC WHM RDM BRD BLM on Apollyon NE (the dhamels).

I focused on DD and support precisely because my healing did not appear needed and I could focus my TP on other venues. Simple as that. Sometimes a DNC needs to know what area to focus on and healing in that above setup did not strike me as essential. Even after the death of the MNK, with only the occasional waltzes, healing was NOT a problem. Between alternating quick and box steps, maintaining haste samba, and using some Building Flourished enhanced WSes with Saber Dance up, I made the decision to use my Dancer support to add more effectiveness to my party. That is a true strength of the dancer job that is overlooked too often. Yes, on high level HNMs, you will not do optimal damage but toss on some pizza and some accuracy gear and you can at least get a attack rating high enough to get consistent TP.

Unfortunately, the support is only limited to a single party samba wise but that party will be quite happy with the boost.

[Toth]

Double post ><

[Talint]

DNCs job is not "Mainly" to DD so just like a mage job (not blm) don't expect them to do better then most other dds, they were made to be balanced while still being able to put up some numbers, it really depends on how coopertive your group is, i'v tried dancer in many events as a suggestion to test it out, Steps do alot more then you would think,

I mean being able to put defense and evasion down on any givin mob should be proof enough, i already explained there down sides to not being able to keep up with mage job heals in a post somewhere..but other then that, they can significatly raise the damage done to mobs, particulary on long drawn out fights, like chariot bosses for example, and thanks to NFR they don't even have to meele thus not feeding TP, so even for some HNM if they let you isn't a bad option, but like most newer jobs, alot won't give you a shot because of the basic dependance on the already commonly used jobs.

I mean if somone does Khim alot try it out on him, keep your back turned and just land steps on him, vs the main damage blm=stutter Meele =quick/box step, you may be surprised at the results.

It just depends on how open minded your group is.

You know, I used to be part of the group that said, "Well, DNC is crap because of how much they feed the mob TP in exchange for a puny payoff." But if you think about it, there's very few things in the game where you're truly concerned about giving mobs TP. A lot of big bosses have some kind of auto-Meikyo Shisui/Regain anyway, or you're not going to really care if a TP move goes off. If you're lowmaning stuff, then a DNC is going to help you more than it's going to hurt. And at the end of the day, DNC gets a few traits in Subtle Blow anyway.

If I had ultimate control of the universe, I probably wouldn't bring a DNC to a lot of Salvage aspects, Nyzul boss runs, and several HNMs. There's no reason to alienate DNC elsewhere though, mostly because through merits and gear options, DNC has a lot of opportunities it didn't have before. You know how awesome a good DNC is in a merit party?

No, there's two things that honestly hold DNC back. The first is how half-assed the healing part of DNC is. All cures plus erase on a single timer is incredibly pointless, and only having access to one AoE cure is really frustrating (also on said timer). DNCs can't raise, nor can they offer any of the amenities anyone with white magic can.

Which leads to my other problem: Lack of support for others. Outside of a samba, what are your other party members getting? Nothing. Sure, 10% Job Ability Haste is nothing to scoff at, but what else? DNC debuffs are nice, but they take a while to get through, and your melee is probably going to have other support going on way (bards or corsairs) that can produce nice, clear, and tangible results.

The second one really gets me more than the first one. DNC is a wonderfully fun job, and it keeps me very busy and focused, but I'd be lying if I said that I wish it wasn't more supporty. A lot of the playerbase doesn't understand what a DNC can do, and I find myself grumbling when I'm asked to change to a different job. Yet, they're not necessarily wrong, because I'm not a suitable replacement for any mage, or any full out support job. DNCs can't dispel, they can't give mages MP (unless they melee, and the target has an MP pool, that would certainly be something), and they can't buff out their melee pals with nice big numbers or increased rates of other things.

[Cream Soda]

One complaint that I have about haste samba is that if it works anything like the other sambas, then you actually have to land the hit to get your haste, which makes it a possibility that you are only getting the haste 95% of the time if your acc is capped or lower if your acc is not. Has a larger affect on 2handers since they don't generally swing twice per round.

[Shin Volcano]

Maybe i should go bitch as SE to ask them what retard thought it was a good idea for DNC to share ALL walz timers, that IS the most frustrating part of DNC and i honeslty hate it beyond reconigtion, i know they want "balance" and "fairness' but there is nothing fair about being gimped with shared timers, we already use alot of tp for them anyway, and yes i do agree with the divine walz, that shit is so weak the only use i found for it is waking up a slept pt, other then that it's pretty useless, even with massivly stacked CHR and 40 TP on top of that, i don't see what was wrong with at LEAST a divine Walz II (let me guess tho a 20 second timer on that?) i can see updates for this job in the future to, but it honestly can't come soon enough because they ussualy update based on players wants and disires and i am pretty sure not every DCN agrees with how it is currently made, i do also enjoy dnc, but small annoyances like said problems above sometimes make me stay away from it (and because i have to many other jobs)

[Cream Soda]

It's a fun job, but I enjoyed it all the way from 1-75, but honestly at 75, only thing I use it for is Choco Jig when camping a low lv NM and sometimes campaign. It's also a very gear/merit orientated job. Considering that I have bushi rather than suppa, and no room for any dagger merits, it'll remain a campaign job for me.

[Greenjade]

What use would a DNC be in a Tier 3 Einherjar?

[Cream Soda]

Moral support?

[Shin Volcano]

Clearly a lap dancer

[Greenjade]

Like a cheer leader or something? Wasted DD/Healer slot? Because man that Einherjar run we did was horrible all for the 10% haste we didn't even get anywhere near the boss.

[Shin Volcano]

on a serious note, aside extra healing (which is always needed in tier 3) i don't see a huge use, but like i just ranted about..with those horrible shared timers, you might have had a really hard time keeping up with heals, with big events like those, i just make good use of violent F, for trigger happy mobs/bosses (if they are stunable)

[Greenjade]

Yea thats what I hate about it too. Shared timers suck horribly. For all of my LS events I'm either RDM or BLM, I leveled DNC for personal enjoyment and only brought it to 1 LS event that was optional.

Last week, we had a DNC in our run and we were really short on healers. She had WHM at 75 but chose to go DNC instead.

[Celebrindor]

Every time I've had a DNC at an event, I end up wishing they had come on another job. Fast.

I would never want a DNC for MP regain given to mages. Hell, I don't even like when I have a COR for that reason (I love COR in a BLM party of RDM, COR, BLMx4- active MAB/Macc rolls). Give me RDM or BRD for the MP regen, its constant, reliable, and doesn't vary based upon luck or TP.

If they "DD", I always wish they came on something else. Personally, I want my DDs to be able to take hate if needed (tank falls in a lowman group and mob goes running for the mages- I want a melee to land a nice WS and get the mobs attention back fast), and a DNC, from what I see, is too busy saving TP for abilities rather than being able to land that big WS to rip a mob back.

Are they great in EXP? From what I have seen, pretty much any party level can benefit from a DNC. Are they durable? Hell yes- extremely competent soloers. I just have yet to encounter a time when we had a DNC in ally and I was happy about it.