Star Trek

[ZarakiKujata]

Ok so I just saw Star Trek, and having seen the older movies multiple times, I recognized a line in the movie from one of the older ones.


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In the scene, I think, where Kirk and old spock are speaking on the ice planet, or when they meet scotty. Anyone else pick up on it, or remember what it was?

I picked up a lot of old lines or references to other old lines.. ala

Nero yelling SPOOOCK like Kirk did w/ KHAN lol

[Epical]

Saw this last night. As someone who only ever seen snippets of ANY Star Trek series and knows pretty much only the famous lines/characters at face value, I loved it! There were some seriously epic moments, and the effects team did an amazing job of capturing that. This is one of those movies you have to see in the theatres or on BluRay with a GOOD surround sound system. I was really impressed.

One thing that bugged me though didn't have anything to due with the science of black holes or the ST lore... but rather the horrible makeup job they did with Quinto's eyebrows. Anyone who watches Heroes the man has some behemoth eyebrows and that they make his forehead a bit rounded on the edges, but when you apply a skin-tone patch of material directly over the the eyebrow (APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD) those bumps are still there! The entire movie I was picturing him with two sets of eyebrows... good lord.

[Katlan]

The only disappointment I had in this movie was when they go to the training academy and the next thing you see is "Three years later." I at least wanted a montage or something.

I do agree w/this... I expected something more then "3 years later" on a movie that ran 2hrs and 8 min. But it was easy enough to overlook w/ the quality of everything else. I was mainly disappointed just because I wanted to see part of the training process

[Eaglestrike]

There's a chance some training scenes will either appear on the DVD or will be shown as flashbacks in future movies, I'm leaning towards the former.

[Tagus]

God this movie was amazing! I'm not a trekie by any means, but simply put, when I was walking out of the theatre I wanted to call people to tell them how good it was. Some of the physics might make a scientist cringe a little, but it's a movie, after all. This is what the new Star Wars movies should have been.

[Eticket]

The only issue I had with the academy scenes was the Kobayashi Maru sequence. I loved how Pine played it but the accepted canon for how he tricked the test seems like it would have been a lot funnier than what he did in the film.

[Qalbert]

Accepted Canon is that he made the Klingons go OMG its kirk and like gtfo or something right?

[Eticket]

Accepted Canon is that he made the Klingons go OMG its kirk and like gtfo or something right?

Yeah he reprogrammed the AI so that he was essentially 'THE Captian Kirk' to the Klingons and they offered to help with the rescue efforts. His reasoning was that he figured his reputation would be that well known eventually anyway.

[Qalbert]

knew it was something like that. I actually read the book Kobayashi Maru but it was back in middle school

[Kaslo]

Yeah he reprogrammed the AI so that he was essentially 'THE Captian Kirk' to the Klingons and they offered to help with the rescue efforts. His reasoning was that he figured his reputation would be that well known eventually anyway.

Timeline had changes cannon no longer secure!

[Ksandra]

Timeline had changes cannon no longer secure!

^ You could justify that the time Kirk would have been spending with his training in the real universe, is shot because of his lose of his father in this universe. Altering his decision on how to reprogram the AI.

[Eticket]

Timeline had changes cannon no longer secure!

How does that have any bearing on whether or not I think the original interpretation would have been more enjoyable or not?

[Ksandra]

How does that have any bearing on whether or not I think the original interpretation would have been more enjoyable or not?

I think it was because you labeled it as the "accepted cannon" when this would also technically be accepted cannon. More power too you if you thought it would be more enjoyable, just that both work under cannon. XD

[Crouchingllama]

The whole making 2009's Star Trek more like Star Wars (more action, less dialogue, more accessible to non-Trekkies) is slightly confusing to me. I was born the year Star Wars came out, it's more of what I grew up on to start.. but then came reruns of TOS and TNG, so I grew up liking both and never being able to decide which I liked more. It's kind of like peanut butter and chocolate, I'll eat either by the pound, straight up. But which one do I like better? F! if I know! Depends on the type of peanut butter or chocolate, at what time, versus/with what, etc. Luke Skywalker was one of my heros as a youngster, but Picard & his crew rocked hard core.

I was trying to explain my viewpoint to my gf who never saw a single Star Trek episode and only "part of the Star Trek with the whales". Imo, Star Wars and Star Trek are both great because they paint the future of humanity/the galaxy/all the galaxies as better than our times. It's just a slightly different take on the POV that they show.

Imo, Star Wars is the struggle of good vs. evil, showing in particular the ability of people who are mostly good to do bad or vice versa and the shades in between. Wrap that up in an epic (and self-identity crisis) space battle and you've got a great story with Luke/Leia and Vader. I'm probably leaving some major points out here, like Establishment-Corrupted->Empire vs. Rebellion & freedom of choice vs. status quo/tradition etc., feel free to correct me.

Imo, Star Trek is not a series about treaty disputes, it's a bunch of connected morality plays cleverly disguised as space battles/exploration. It's really more about finding out what it means to be human in ethical/moral situations and finding the similarities between different races of beings (people) than it is about omgwtfbbq weapons blowing apart whole battle stations/planets. I'm probably leaving out other aspects of Star Trek that make it what it is, feel free to correct me.

Star Trek is about the DEVELOPMENT of the human race/alien races in to the best they can be, together; whereas Star Wars is about the SALVATION of the human race/alien races from a great and powerful evil that will ultimately cause the downfall of the races if not stopped. I see these as two sides of (nearly?) the same issue, which is why I think they both have their places.


As story collections, which universe has been more successful?
Star Trek or Star Wars?
Which has more total movies/shows/books/toys/other spin-offs?
Which one has impacted the modern world more?
Can these questions really be answered?
Does it matter?

I, for one, love them both.

[Xavier]

Yeah he reprogrammed the AI so that he was essentially 'THE Captian Kirk' to the Klingons and they offered to help with the rescue efforts. His reasoning was that he figured his reputation would be that well known eventually anyway.

I think that would've made for a fairly good laugh, wish they had kept that explanation in the movie.

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As for the people upset at "3 years later", I don't think, in terms of character development for Kirk, that it was really necessary to show those three years of training. Sure, it would've been cool to see it, but I learned everything I needed to about Kirk from his hilarious crash as a kid and the bar fight before joining the Academy.

Definitely leaves open the door for flashbacks to it, or for some other form of media to adapt those years.

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Saw the movie for a second time, just to make sure that it was as awesome as I thought it was; it was.

[tornfleshofsoul]

One thing I especially loved in the movie was that the ships had a shit-ton more fire-power than in previous movies. Take First Contact for instance with the initial battle with the borg. You had like 20 ships each shooting one phaser and a small spread of photon torpedoes. The ships in this installment of Star Trek seemed to have as much going on when firing as the fleet did in that scene. Not saying that it'd be stronger or whatever, but more interesting to see that they'd put more guns.

PS: Lasers!

[Kaslo]

Ok I have been thinking:

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Did Nero kill the Klingons aswell? There was that Klingon transmission but they never really elaborated... Are we going to see a Human and Romulan only Star Trek?

[kuronosan]

One thing I especially loved in the movie was that the ships had a shit-ton more fire-power than in previous movies. Take First Contact for instance with the initial battle with the borg. You had like 20 ships each shooting one phaser and a small spread of photon torpedoes. The ships in this installment of Star Trek seemed to have as much going on when firing as the fleet did in that scene. Not saying that it'd be stronger or whatever, but more interesting to see that they'd put more guns.

PS: Lasers!

From what I remember during my days as a Trek fan, it was explained that ships during times of war were much more heavily outfitted with weaponry and that the ships of the TNG-era were exploration vessels. The ships later on during the Nemesis/Voyager-era were more heavily armed since they were at war with the Dominion.

[tornfleshofsoul]

Good point, but was Kelvin prepared for war, or exploring? If you think to early in the film, Kelvin had just as much it seemed as the Enterprise.

[kuronosan]

I think my friend had explained to me that the ships have dozens of torpedo bays and phaser banks (like 12 or something) so even a small vessel like the Kelvin may have been able to fire off everything at once.