Onimaru's price...

[Wolfknight]

Usukane Haramaki, Sune-Ate, Pachi - Attack+25 Acc+19 haste+2%
Usukane Haramaki, Sune-Ate, Hagun - Acc+25 attack+13 haste+2%

Both are ideal, both allow for the respective X-hit setups. Assuming 90% accuracy before weapon so that the full penalty of pachi is relevant, 90/87 = 3.4% tp and ws damage. On a 400 def mob with ~1.5 pdif, 12 attack = .03/1.5 or 2% tp damage. As a result, hagun will have 1.4% more damage during tp and 3.4% more damage from ws due to the stat mods on pachipachio. 480/450 = 6.6% more delay, compounded with that 3.4% results in 10.2% more WS damage, still dealing with inherent stats. 6.6% more tp damage too, still dealing with delay only, compounded with 1.4% from acc means 8% more TP damage. Assuming you TP in 3 FSTR, DMG:85 vs DMG:78 is a 8.9% increase, so all things considered pachipachio wins in tp damage by 0.9% and hagun gains 10.2% in ws, before factoring the ws damage itself in.

Gekko mods
100% 200%
1.5625 1.875

1.875 / 1.5625 = 1.2, or a 20% increase in damage assuming they had the same base D.

(1.2 * 1.1) + .1 = a total of 42% gain during WS, with compounding

Compare this to 25% more WS at ~3.5% more damage before ftp, hagun wins

I was just hoping failure or someone would do the math for me and save me a few min, hence the discuss

also someone with a badwiki account fix gekko please, tool in my shell keeps changing it so he can rant about how SE would never use numbers like 1600/1024 or 1920/1024 for WS mods because everything has to be precise and onry uses .5s and .0s

one thing not accounted for that would push in hagun favor still, pachi needs rajas aswell since +54 for 5-hit with it[25+10+6+7+2+1=51], thus it needs rajas while hagun could use tor ring.

[Shin Volcano]

Ever since SE nerfed blood farming gil has become even harder to come by. So 3mil for a Hagun is impossible for a lot of new SAMs, including myself. Players noticed this and put up the price of Onimaru since it's the 2nd best choice. The price doubled on my server within a week. o.o"

Hagun is still the dream weapon for my SAM but until I can somehow get one (will need a miracle for that xD) I'm content with my Onimaru, it really is a good weapon.

Wait, what blood nerf? someone explain this part.

[Overburn]

Wait, what blood nerf? someone explain this part.

When they killed the NPC buying of Blood from like 20k/stack or w/e to 2k/stack ?

[Araelus]

oni+rana with near capped cratio should be superior or worst-case equal with hagun+gekko assuming you have the acc for it. Even if it's a little under, the dot will push oni over. Someday I hope to see a sam who swaps between oni and hagun depending on if zerk is up or not.

/drg means never using 'zerk. I'm sympathetic to the idea, but it doesn't pan out.

If we're talking about experiential numbers, I outparsed a Hagun SAM by using a Soboro (the one I'm thinking of was a terrible Samurai, though, considering he had B.Haidate and Usu feet on and I didn't...) and in that situation, it wasn't "Best Hagun" vs. "Best Onimaru" by a long shot.

Is that even applicable? >_>

All other things equal, Hagun+Gekko keeps winning.

Hagun and Onimaru would be interesting. But to cap cRatio... preliminary testing shows the new 2-handed cRatio cap might be as high as 2.4, and I don't hit 900att vs. Greater Colibri even with Berserk.

(But as I said, I never use /war in merits.)

I know, theory/maths isn't what you are looking for, but it's all I have right now, because Rana is consistently worse than Gekko, and with the effort required to make it "as good or better", could just make Gekko stronger, eh?

[Raen Ryong]

also someone with a badwiki account fix gekko please, tool in my shell keeps changing it so he can rant about how SE would never use numbers like 1600/1024 or 1920/1024 for WS mods because everything has to be precise and onry uses .5s and .0s

Done, I hate idiots like that. I told him to provide evidence that fTP mods are different or gtfo.