Guns in our society.

[Beckwin]

NWO conspiracy obviously.

and it's not as if the NRA bullshits any statistics ever.

[guartz]

NWO conspiracy obviously.

and it's not as if the NRA bullshits any statistics ever.

so callous to my suggestion Beckwin, so callous.

Besides, I wasn't aware NRA was responsible for official statistics.

[guartz]

By the way, here it is.

Ministers 'covered up' gun crime - Times Online


Also, i'm glad you understand that The Times is part of the NWO conspiracy.

[Rhinox]

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[guartz]

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[Rhinox]

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[guartz]

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[Rhinox]

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[Kuya]

What exactly is the opinion in this thread on the situation in Mexico? The whole 95% of the guns used there by criminals waging war on the government come from the US?

[Plow]

What exactly is the opinion in this thread on the situation in Mexico? The whole 95% of the guns used there by criminals waging war on the government come from the US?

Russia's fault, obviously.

[Kuya]

I think it would be very interesting to see an argument center around that issue, because the US is also the largest drug client (consumer).

[BIGSTIC]

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

Like the article says, yes they do get guns from us, but 90% is not the right number.

[Plow]

Yeah, 90% of guns in Mexico don't come from the U.S., just 90% of the ones we can find the origin of do!

Makes perfoxt sense!

[Kuya]

Do they know where the untraced weapons come from? I mean, aside from speculation? In any case, as it says in the article:

"Let's do what we can with what we know," he said. "We know that one hell of a lot of firearms come from the United States because our gun market is wide open."

What is the opinion on this?

[BIGSTIC]

Yeah, 90% of guns in Mexico don't come from the U.S., just 90% of the ones we can find the origin of do!

Makes perfoxt sense!

Did you even read the article? Here I will quote the pertinent part.

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

[BIGSTIC]

What is the opinion on this?

Consider this Kuya.

So why would the Mexican drug cartels, which last year grossed between $17 billion and $38 billion, bother buying single-shot rifles, and force thousands of unknown "straw" buyers in the U.S. through a government background check, when they can buy boatloads of fully automatic M-16s and assault rifles from China, Israel or South Africa?

Remember the average person CANNOT obtain a FA weapon in the US without a lot of money and a pretty good background check. The paperwork takes a minimum of 3 months to process and average more around 6 months.

[Kuya]

So your argument is that it doesn't constitute a big enough problem to consider? I presume that's what you mean since you're essentially telling me that the guns obtained from the US do not constitute a large enough number to consider any sort of policy change in regards to weapons.

[BIGSTIC]

What I am trying to say is that the majority of the guns reported in Mexico are not even remotely easy to obtain in the United States. Those guns they are confiscating down there couldn't even be sold to Law Abiding Americans unless they were manufactured prior to 1986.

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department. Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.



To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence.



Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

I know American gun manufactures sell FA guns all over the world to various governments, even to Mexico. However these governments don't require a background check and we all know that corrupt governments don't exist.

[Kuya]

I think you are agreeing with my summary of what you meant, but i'm not sure.

[guartz]

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ugh, I'm too defensive about this issue for some reason.