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  1. #1081
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    Testing with a scientific method is not alla shit, guessing at random patterns is.

    Making sure you properly track and account for all variables, use sound testing methods, and share your findings is bg shit.

    As far as the keys go, it is damn near impossible to determine what is actually going on thanks to the 1/day limit, and the most likely explanation for the similar rewards people get for simultaneous turn-ins is that the game cycles through a series of augment types at set intervals during each game hour.

    If there is an order to that cycle, you would need a huge amount of samples to determine it for certain, which is very disappointing.

  2. #1082
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    That's taking into account random as a constant, right?

  3. #1083
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    beak mantle is from feyin, when you got the lights choose the key not the BCtrigger

  4. #1084
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaatu View Post
    That's taking into account random as a constant, right?
    http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png

    Computers don't do random.

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    I'm feeling a breeze in here...

  6. #1086
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    If you really want to get a decent amount of data you should make a windower plugin specifically to record date/time and other variables whenever a person uses the tenshodo chest.

  7. #1087
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khajit View Post
    If you really want to get a decent amount of data you should make a windower plugin specifically to record date/time and other variables whenever a person uses the tenshodo chest.
    This. I really wish the windower were used to collect game infos. Wowhead gets their rather accurate drop rates and etc. from a plugin which feeds off WoW.

    It should be a default plugin so that anyone too stupid to remove it will still be collecting data but it won't require the masses to download it in the first place. It could still be disabled if you really cared.

  8. #1088
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  9. #1089
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    Friend & I got Similar Junk today...
    Watersday, Waning Gibbous 62%, 20:04 Game Time

    Amber Key gave same item as yesterday to both of us, I got Carapace w/Store TP+1 again and he received Gold Ring with INT+1 MND+2 again. Our Azure Keys both gave synthesis materials today too; Hi Ether & Steel Ingot respectively. This is interesting, since yesterday we both received items at the same time, but today mats.

  10. #1090
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    It seems pretty obvious there is a cap on the types of augments you can receive from FoV dependent upon the level of the item you trade, regardless of boss you fight.

    If you look at all of the starting areas, the only thing they give is elemental resists. This would explain why your level 1 - 10 items are just getting elemental resist, and will never give any actual stats. This makes sense from a game balance perspective so a level 1 character doesn't get some insane mantle with STR +3, Store TP +1, and Accuracy +1.

    Even with the Republic Subligar, the most that any one has been able to obtain with a level 25 item is a +1 to one stat and a +1 resist to a type of status ailment, usually paired with a -1 to one or two other stats. Almost all of the other augments are elemental resistances.

    If you want to get some decent augments like +enmity, you're going to have to start forking over higher level items.

  11. #1091
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    I think that either the NM you fight, or certain armor can only receive certain augments...

    I've been spamming Devotee's Mitts to the Qufim NM (it's convenient to my daily routine; Bastok > OP to Glacier > Fei'Yin for Azure Key > Warp to Bastok > OP to Qufim > do Elite FoV > Walk to Jeuno for Azure Prize). So far I have gotten the following augments:

    DarkResist +10 - twice
    EarthResist +9, Dark Resist +9
    WindResist +11 - twice
    FireResist +10
    ThunderResist +10 - twice
    EarthResist +10 - twice
    WaterResist +10

    Been trying for a MND +2 Augment on the Devotee's - in effect making them Devotee's Mitts +2... but I haven't had a single stat augment to them yet...

  12. #1092
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    I think that either the NM you fight, or certain armor can only receive certain augments...

    I've been spamming Devotee's Mitts to the Qufim NM (it's convenient to my daily routine; Bastok > OP to Glacier > Fei'Yin for Azure Key > Warp to Bastok > OP to Qufim > do Elite FoV > Walk to Jeuno for Azure Prize). So far I have gotten the following augments:

    DarkResist +10 - twice
    EarthResist +9, Dark Resist +9
    WindResist +11 - twice
    FireResist +10
    ThunderResist +10 - twice
    EarthResist +10 - twice
    WaterResist +10

    Been trying for a MND +2 Augment on the Devotee's - in effect making them Devotee's Mitts +2... but I haven't had a single stat augment to them yet...
    Same here, all I get is elemental resistances. Some more mnd would be sweet.

  13. #1093
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    Have you been doing the Qufim NM too?

  14. #1094
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    I tried my Astral Ring, got +1 earth ._.;. I would have been happy with +INT or +MND, but I guess that's asking for too much.

  15. #1095
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    I think that either the NM you fight, or certain armor can only receive certain augments...

    I've been spamming Devotee's Mitts to the Qufim NM (it's convenient to my daily routine; Bastok > OP to Glacier > Fei'Yin for Azure Key > Warp to Bastok > OP to Qufim > do Elite FoV > Walk to Jeuno for Azure Prize). So far I have gotten the following augments:

    DarkResist +10 - twice
    EarthResist +9, Dark Resist +9
    WindResist +11 - twice
    FireResist +10
    ThunderResist +10 - twice
    EarthResist +10 - twice
    WaterResist +10

    Been trying for a MND +2 Augment on the Devotee's - in effect making them Devotee's Mitts +2... but I haven't had a single stat augment to them yet...

    I semi-support this. Every single time I've done Drone Earrings I've got ele resistance although I seem to remember seeing a screenshot of someone with STR+ on a Drone.

    Similarly every time I've done Mage's Cuffs I've gotten: Stat X +1-2, Stat Y -1, Stat Z -1.

  16. #1096
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    I Traded Devotee's to qufim and got Int+1 Mnd-1 AGI-1

  17. #1097
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    http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...508_135645.png
    Found a person with this earlier. my thf is drooling over the possibility of not having to enter sea just for a hope torque on trick attack.

  18. #1098
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    azure key
    windsday 19;07
    74% waxing moon,
    75 nin/37blm mythril ingot
    75rdm/37blm hi elixar

  19. #1099
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    Have you been doing the Qufim NM too?
    Qufim once, Xarcabard twice. For some reason I had extra mitts lying around from muling/lending and being too lazy to switch characters. Who knew they would come in handy?

  20. #1100
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    I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it yet, but I'll post the exact time from the screen shot later. While doing the usual Amber/Azure key run yesterday, my friend and I both went at the identical time when using our keys and received Beak Necklaces. Albeit they had different augments, but the same item. We tried this again with the Azure Keys and received Hi-Elixirs. Obviously this isn't a large enough sample to determine anything of importance, however I will be trying to coordinate when we use the keys to see if this continues.

    I've also been frustrated with how I got another Beak Mantle (STR+2 DEX+2 Evasion+1 ...so close) but no Rainbow Obi yet, after almost 3 weeks of spamming the keys. I'm hoping to replace my P.Rope with a INT+5 MND+5 hMP+? Rainbow Obi, if I could get some luck again. It seems I burned all my luck on my first Beak Mantle. :(

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