SMN Update Testing

[Shin Volcano]

I was about to rage and start knocking heads because of the bickering in the previous 2 pages, but this says it nicely.

Promise I'll be good.

And you could kill Aquarius/Cancer before siphon update. It just took 50min.

With carby, yes, without him, No, that's what i mean actually, as in diabolos or fenrir only pre-siphon was nearly impossible, or incredibly hard.

[AoshiZ]

Like what....-3 prep cost on Af2 body during day, and -1 with YYR + enimity +5 which helps alot solo. i'd rather put +15 attack in that slot so my pets hit harder..

So you have chosen to replace your Blood Pact piece over your Avatar TP idle piece.

Good choice. However it is not the only choice. Relic body -3 perpetuation cost doesn't work on selective avatars all the time nor can it achieve free garuda with a -2 Perpetuation ACP body (with sanction )100% of the time.

The difference being that a smn can indefinitely fight with garuda out using sublimation to offset the Bloodpact costs. This is an enabler for low man smn strats with tanking avatars.

[Shin Volcano]

[QUOTE=AoshiZ;2646243]So you have chosen to replace your Blood Pact piece over your Avatar TP idle piece.

Good choice. However it is not the only choice. Relic body -3 perpetuation cost doesn't work on selective avatars all the time nor can it achieve free garuda with a -2 Perpetuation ACP body (with sanction )100% of the time.

This would only apply to TOAU areas o_o

Well..this is why i mentioned every single time i mentioed AF2 that based on day/depending on the day. ANy smn with the body know that it only works on the day, and it works well.

The difference being that a smn can indefinitely fight with garuda out using sublimation to offset the Bloodpact costs. This is an enabler for low man smn strats with tanking avatars.

Yes but the same rule applies to BLM as to SMM with a 1 strat rule, Like BLM thunder and and Ice don't solve every situation, gardua is no exception, she isn't used for every fight, all the time..you need to be prepared for any fight, not what garuda can be used on only.

Fenrir tends to be way more MP effective since his BP cost much less then garudas.

I can keep a pet out alot longer with /sch but before they gave rr to /sch now i didn't normaly trust it outside of campaign.

this even furether proves why i don't need -2 prep because due to /sch mp still isn't more so of an issue you helped me like my decision more with this now that you reminded me of it lol

[AoshiZ]

this even furether proves why i don't need -2 prep because due to /sch mp still isn't more so of an issue you helped me like my decision more with this now that you reminded me of it lol

I am glad that you acknowledge that your choice is your own and that the other options are viable for others.

Yes the piece can be described as a niche situation that isn't diverse or adaptive to using all other avatars. But its specialized and some people may choose to do so.

I believe everyone that has argued for the -2 perpetuation cost feel that it is a viable option and not necessarily a waste. To say that it is a waste is to be closed minded to other peoples philosophies that conflict with your own.

[Shin Volcano]

I am glad that you acknowledge that your choice is your own and that the other options are viable for others.

Yes the piece can be described as a niche situation that isn't diverse or adaptive to using all other avatars. But its specialized and some people may choose to do so.

I believe everyone that has argued for the -2 perpetuation cost feel that it is a viable option and not necessarily a waste. To say that it is a waste is to be closed minded to other peoples philosophies that conflict with your own.

Meh, can't argu with that. when i have set a decision it only changes when i want it to >.>

[jimbobsonofgod]

Personally I did -2 perp
+15 pet att

I don't use the merited BP much at all (IE. Never anymore) , and if I started to I'd redo body and take out the +15 att.

BP In AFII body
No pet or carbuncle YY
Pet out not day RR

[nitsuj]

BP In AFII body
No pet or carbuncle YY
Pet out not day RR

This is pretty much where I stand.

[jimbobsonofgod]

I had at one point and as much as I hear feed back about how little pet stats are affecting avatar performance, was actually considering adding +10 acc to help staff acc(and as a side bonus a WS peice for smn+sch)

[Shin Volcano]

Went Att+15 Dbl attack/Crtical, i was thinking long and hard between getting MAB, but i figured if i will be bping it in with attack +15 may as well throw the DBL attack on it as well since i have to replace it from Af 2, when you bping in Af2 you are only banking on that +3% so may as well give up -1% more and add the 15 attack and a double attack chance with it.

BP=RR

Idile/pet out=YYR or Or RR if you use Conj Ring (Sorcerer's Ring Style)

On day AF2.

[Pindle]

If I get Phys Acc:

1) Wasting my valuable piece because my SMN magic is way above cap, as well as wearing it to get TP would make me lose Avatar Enmity +5 and 1 mp/tick refresh from YY Robe.

I'd like you to expand more on this. Could you post your gear sets for idle/Ability delay/BP execution, please? I'd like to see where my own gear stands against someone who has no accuracy issues. Do you also have Smn skill merits?

[Aemora]

Shit's all situational.

Whilst its all kewl to have high dmg on solo mobs like Colibri and Spiders, what's the actual damage that these Merited BPs do now on HNMs? Is it worth ploughing the Merits into Lv75 BPs unless the random spikes off of Garuda/Leviathan are simply overall better than the constant low damage that Lv75 BPs do on HNMs?

Anyone done any HNM fights? I'm taking Fafnir, Khimaira, Cerberus, Tiamat, etc~ Perhaps even the Crystal Seed from the final ACP fight... Which is better, Lv70 or Lv75 BPs?

[Shin Volcano]

Shit's all situational.

Whilst its all kewl to have high dmg on solo mobs like Colibri and Spiders, what's the actual damage that these Merited BPs do now on HNMs? Is it worth ploughing the Merits into Lv75 BPs unless the random spikes off of Garuda/Leviathan are simply overall better than the constant low damage that Lv75 BPs do on HNMs?

Anyone done any HNM fights? I'm taking Fafnir, Khimaira, Cerberus, Tiamat, etc~ Perhaps even the Crystal Seed from the final ACP fight... Which is better, Lv70 or Lv75 BPs?

You just said it your self.."Shit's Situational" because not every SMN fights HNM only. and you left Out King Behemoth, which is a kited fight.

But yes i have done all of them. If you are HNM only you probably will get a better use out of the 70 BPS but Tiamat in air and KB are good examples of where the 75 ones are useful. once again, Situational etc. are theyw orth it? yea, i'd say so.

[DAKPluto]

With carby, yes, without him, No, that's what i mean actually, as in diabolos or fenrir only pre-siphon was nearly impossible, or incredibly hard.

It was possible, you just had to know how to use carby for MP recovery. Still took hell of a lot longer than siphon, but was possible to use non-carby.

EDIT: Also....they could have made this shit so much simpler for me if they made Summoning Skill +xx an option for the body. I would have taken that in a heartbeat.

[frodnonnag]

cleared APC late last night, my choice on body? acc+15 atk+15 for pet, i never finished the group2 merits to warrant the macc/matk.

my side of the "-2 perp vs atk/acc/matk on second aug" argument is that it is better to chose the arguably large bonus to acc atk, or macc/matk, than to worry about mp conservation, although i already have a penance robe. to be honest, if summoning magic skill was an option, i would have picked that.

its not that -2 perp is lacking, its more that the other bonuses are argumentatively larger and worth more, since you can't get them any other way on body, or in the case of macc/matb any other reasonable way, so it just seems better to push higher pact damage, than to use those slots for mp conservation.

[Silenka]

I decided I will do the -2 perp and MAB/Macc. I started redoing my merits last night to be 5/5 phys attk 5/5 magic attk.

Here's why:

1) I'm never going to shell out the gil for a penance robe because I have like 6 or 7 75 jobs and growing. That gil will better be spent elsewhere.

2) I don't feel I need the 15 acc considering I have 8 smn magic merits and a metric crapton of smn skill+ gear which keeps my acc high, but as everyone knows the damn things are so random anyway I probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. I also would rather BP in my relic body than an extra +15 attack, again, because the things are so frickin random. If someone can tell me that they honestly noticed a big difference from the +15 attack than without then maybe I would consider, but for now I'm happy with relic boots, merits and whatever pet attk+ augment items I happen across.

3) SMN and DNC are my solo jobs atm, and I far prefer SMN because it's my favorite job. -2 perp really does help, regardless of the shitfest that's been going on in here about it, especially when stacked with af+1 boots, nashira gloves, HQ staff etc. And if I'm putting forth the effort to redo my merits to utilize the MAB, I sure as hell want to make sure I can keep my avatar out as long as possible to TP for the bonus. Those pacts are extremely expensive MP-wise as well, so it helps further.

Also I just enjoy having free avatars to run around with. They're shiny. >.>

[Indalecia]

On another note, in the very distant future when I get nirvana, I'm going acc+10, pet mab.

Thats right, I said it.

SMN/SAM


WHAT BITCHES?! WHAT?!

[Silenka]

Indy ftw

[frodnonnag]

and i just nailed my first ruby earring with pet: +5 atk.

[nitsuj]

I'd like you to expand more on this. Could you post your gear sets for idle/Ability delay/BP execution, please? I'd like to see where my own gear stands against someone who has no accuracy issues. Do you also have Smn skill merits?

It's not that I don't have accuracy issues, I just don't have enough issues to warrant the accuracy on the body piece. But I could probably be proved wrong if I got the accuracy and tested it for a few weeks (which I very well may do).

A good Summoning Magic set was posted a few pages back. Marduk Head/feet, relic+1 hands, torque, earring and cape I believe?

[frodnonnag]

It's not that I don't have accuracy issues, I just don't have enough issues to warrant the accuracy on the body piece. But I could probably be proved wrong if I got the accuracy and tested it for a few weeks (which I very well may do).

A good Summoning Magic set was posted a few pages back. Marduk Head/feet, relic+1 hands, torque, earring and cape I believe?

my setup: marduk tiara, summoning torque and earring, summoner hands+1, astute cape, marduk or oracle legs, marduk or nashira feet, bahamut staff or that new ANNM staff.
i haven't seen anything else new with magic skill on it.

as for landing a physical pact: karura hachigane(garuda only)/marduk, smn bracers +1 and feet, af+1 legs, astute cape, augmented ruby earring, smn earring.

there's alot of new pet stat gear, so while the 5 visible slots won't change, i might have to macro around rings, belts, and earring.