SMN Update Testing

[Indalecia]

Equip Yinyang Robe when you use Blood Pact, then swap to Royal Redingote immediately after. Would that work?

Yes, BP's work in 2 phases, BP activation and BP execution. Activation, stack the BP -time shit then right before it goes off, put on crit%, acc, att, what have you.

[Ultimagi]

I'll still probably get Nuevo Coselete, since Royal Redingote is ugly as sin and I'll never use Summoner when it hits 75. I wish Mirke Wardecors had some good stuff for Blue Mage though, since it looks the coolest. Maybe I'll see if the other expansions provide the same reward of choosing from 3 bodies and augments, and be able to choose based on aesthetics then.

[Spira]

papesse on KI wrote this about the 2% DA:

Tested Pet : Double Attack on BPs with <pettp> for help. Mountain Buster give 8 tp (> 16 tp when DA procs), Predator Claw 41 (> 49 tp).
Double attack add a single NORMAL hit on them. There is pratically no difference in dmg with or without a DA procs on BPs. I have already changed my Body for Pet atk+15 since. I'm disgusted to see how DA+2% is useless and happy to have Pet : atk+15 and Pet : MAG+7 / MACC+7 now for my new body.

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needs more testing, but seems like even if you can get a good rate on the DA, its not really worth it...
i still say consistency is key for avatars..

[Indalecia]

i still say consistency is key for avatars..

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[Toth]

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Agreed! Hence why I choose the same stat (pet accuracy/ranged accuracy) for my Mirke and my automaton.

[Ultimagi]

So with this update, is it better to merits Avatar Magic Accuracy, Avatar Magic Attack, and Group 2 now?

[Pindle]

pretty sure its

-4 bp timer.

You get -5 BP timer from the Yinyang Robe, critical hit +3% from the Relic body... I'm still kind of at a loss for what I want to do with my ACP body. I know I'm going to make it for Smn because it's the only job I have that will see the largest increase from the bodies. I kind of like the idea of pairing the Karura Hachigane with the -2 Avatar perpetuation cost and MAB/MACC+7 to make Garuda more efficient. I only _just_ started working on Smn merits (I've had the job at 75 for at least a couple of years now >_>), so I have a ways to go yet. I have almost all the Smn skill I can get(no merits), though I still would like the Marduk Tiara and the cape from sea. Fat chance a Smn's going to get it before a Brd, though. I can siphon back 298mp on single weather/day, so I don't think I'm hurting for skill that much.

[Indalecia]

So with this update, is it better to merits Avatar Magic Accuracy, Avatar Magic Attack, and Group 2 now?

I would say yes if you have acc in other places. PC/SD are still power houses, but tier 2's can now hold their own very nicely if you put the effort into bringing them up to snuff.

(I sit at 330 skill on execution, its why im ditching all my phys acc)

[Sheebs]

I would say yes if you have acc in other places. PC/SD are still power houses, but tier 2's can now hold their own very nicely if you put the effort into bringing them up to snuff.

It's still early for me.... PC/SD?

[Kaisha]

It's still early for me.... PC/SD?

Predator Claw/Spinning Dive

[Sheebs]

Oh yeah^^ gotcha.

[Sylvrdragon]

Predator Claws and Spinning Dive I think.

[Pindle]

I would say yes if you have acc in other places. PC/SD are still power houses, but tier 2's can now hold their own very nicely if you put the effort into bringing them up to snuff.

(I sit at 330 skill on execution, its why im ditching all my phys acc)

I just toyed with my macros some and checked my BP execution, and I'm sitting at 306 skill with the AF pants and relic hands(+1!) and feet. I have 0 Smn skill merits and only level 1 MATK. I see that consistency rules over numbers as far as Smn goes, so what would you recommend for my body piece?

[Indalecia]

If you intend on doing tier 2's, merit them and get mab augment along with prolly 15 acc.

If your NOT going for tier 2's, get acc15/att15. That will proly have better return than crit/da, consistency wise, but i'm not a math cruncher, need one of those in here to answer that part.

[Ultimagi]

I think I actually need to play Summoner at 75 before I can make an educated decision on this.

Edit: This post is evil.

[Tulun]

Seems like you would want both, no? There are going to be situations where you will probably need to use Magic Attack. Like in a kited fight (though at the very least, if you mistime, it won't mess up anymore ). So the MAB+MACC is likely always a good idea.

[Pindle]

If you intend on doing tier 2's, merit them and get mab augment along with prolly 15 acc.

If your NOT going for tier 2's, get acc15/att15. That will proly have better return than crit/da, consistency wise, but i'm not a math cruncher, need one of those in here to answer that part.

What I ultimately want to do is pimp out Garuda's Wind Blade, hence the Avatar Perp -2 I initially specified. I do want to get all the merit BPs, though.

[Indalecia]

You would prolly be better getting 5 merits in wind blade and summoning, using then desummoing as opposed to letting it tp then use wind blade.

Having said that, dont get -perp.

[Sheebs]

Do other smn's macro in +summoning skill for physical bloodpacts as well? I was always under the impression if you had capped it, you pretty much had the acc benefit. As of now I only use +summoning skill gear for siphon.

I merited 5/5 phy attk/phy acc, cause all we ever used was PC and PD^^. I have to re-think it now with the new tier 2's, so interested in the phys acc caps.

[nitsuj]

I'm surprised more of you don't want perp-2 on this.

I was thinking Perp-2 and MAB because, honestly, I don't want to have to buy a Penance Robe. :/

(and I'm fairly certain that's the only other perp-2 piece in the game)