SMN Update Testing

[frodnonnag]

I'm surprised more of you don't want perp-2 on this.

I was thinking Perp-2 and MAB because, honestly, I don't want to have to buy a Penance Robe. :/

(and I'm fairly certain that's the only other perp-2 piece in the game)

it is, and coming from someone who has penance robe, its a 100 mp difference every 5 minutes you keep an avatar out, its really not worth wasting a slot on the redingote for more damage potential.

the -2 perp is only good if you use the job to solo alot, but endgame i'd rather go for the pact damage bonuses.

[Toth]

Personally, I rather idle in my Yinyang and then macro in the body with the accuracy bonus/MAB bonus for my BPs. As it stands now, I BP with the smn doublet and while the crit bonus is very nice, the ability to greatly improve accuracy is even more tempting. But your style, your choice. Plus, I already have my Mirke.

P.S Both the horn and body have -3 perp cost depending on the day and weather. Free Fenrir in dynamis and einheijar :D

[Ultimagi]

Is it feasible to macro in a lot of Blood Pact Ability Delay equipment, use a Blood Pact, then swap into full Summoning Magic Skill, Avatar Accuracy and Attack, etc., without using windower, or does it all happen too fast?

[Reapz]

Is it feasible to macro in a lot of Blood Pact Ability Delay equipment, use a Blood Pact, then swap into full Summoning Magic Skill, Avatar Accuracy and Attack, etc., without using windower, or does it all happen too fast?

That's what we all do yes, just need to be quick and change equip before the bp goes off

[DAKPluto]

Because I have YYR and AF2 body, I saw it as a great chance to blow the merit BPs out of the water with the body. That's why I went MAB bonus, and Accuracy for building TP to up the merit BPs even more.

[frodnonnag]

Do other smn's macro in +summoning skill for physical bloodpacts as well? I was always under the impression if you had capped it, you pretty much had the acc benefit. As of now I only use +summoning skill gear for siphon.

I merited 5/5 phy attk/phy acc, cause all we ever used was PC and PD^^. I have to re-think it now with the new tier 2's, so interested in the phys acc caps.

only skill over cap gives accuracy bonus, so a summoner without skill or skill merits, but capped skill, does not receive a bonus.

going off garuda, your gear swaps(in a perfect situation with perfect gear) should be
-perp setup into -bp timer gear(relic head, legs hands feet, yyr) to issue pact

then before the pred claws lands, switch to: karura hachigane, redingote(with either acc or atk on it), keep smn bracers on, evk legs, smn feet, sac torque.

[Sheebs]

only skill over cap gives accuracy bonus, so a summoner without skill or skill merits, but capped skill, does not receive a bonus.

going off garuda, your gear swaps(in a perfect situation with perfect gear) should be
-perp setup into -bp timer gear(relic head, legs hands feet, yyr) to issue pact

then before the pred claws lands, switch to: karura hachigane, redingote(with either acc or atk on it), keep smn bracers on, evk legs, smn feet, sac torque.

Whats the cap on the ACC bonus over base skill cap?

Yeah the gear setups make sense, thanks for the info. Now to execute it...lol.

I am just using redingnote for the magic based BP's, keeping AF2 body for the physicals.

I also still need af2 feet, af+1 feet (temenos....orz) afv2 hands/legs. Hoping to finish some marduk pieces to add to summoning skill, cause I really don't want to merit it lol.

[nitsuj]

it is, and coming from someone who has penance robe, its a 100 mp difference every 5 minutes you keep an avatar out, its really not worth wasting a slot on the redingote for more damage potential.

the -2 perp is only good if you use the job to solo alot, but endgame i'd rather go for the pact damage bonuses.

Yeah, I know what you mean.. But I'm pretty sure you're upgrading Nirvana as well. The main justification I see is I (we?) are spending like 100 mil on getting -1 more perp than Bahamut staff.. passing up a free additional -1 perp (in my case since I don't ahve p. robe) seems silly...

In all honesty I think I'll be doing one body piece now, and then as soon as Nirvana is complete going back and redoing it anyways (and probably buying a P. Robe )

[Indalecia]

If your getting nirvana, it BETTER fucking be for the 20mab, not the -1 perp.

[Pindle]

the acc and att are just MEH to me. I am way over cap on smn magic skill, so my BP's are consistent already, and I have the standard pet att gear already... I just dont see why those pieces are really that beneficial to a fully merited / geared out summoner.

Its the Mab / macc or da / crit imo onry!

Here's something I'm wondering now. How much over the cap can/should you be to eschew accuracy in favour of other areas?

[frodnonnag]

If your getting nirvana, it BETTER fucking be for the 20mab, not the -1 perp.

its for both. the potential for a nonsituational, refreshing fenrir or garuda, and the 20 mab to back up the already (postpatch) damaging meritpacts.

[DAKPluto]

If your getting nirvana, it BETTER fucking be for the 20mab, not the -1 perp.

this

[nitsuj]

its for both. the potential for a nonsituational, refreshing fenrir or garuda, and the 20 mab to back up the already (postpatch) damaging meritpacts.

This ^^

Prepatch, even, the MAB would probably have only seen use with Diabolos (hopefully). Merit pacts never stood on their own in most endgame situations.

(Thank you SE for making my large time/gil investment worth it!)

[Davricle]

How far along are either of you on Nirvana, by the way.

SMN here too, favorite job but never get to play it...after reading this thread I may dust it off!

[frodnonnag]

This ^^

Prepatch, even, the MAB would probably have only seen use with Diabolos (hopefully). Merit pacts never stood on their own in most endgame situations.

(Thank you SE for making my large time/gil investment worth it!)

i'm also intrigued by the potential damage bonus to predator claws with aftermath, but thats more for after i have fun with mab+20. only regret for nirvana is that it does nothing visible for ward pacts.

[frodnonnag]

How far along are either of you on Nirvana, by the way.

SMN here too, favorite job but never get to play it...after reading this thread I may dust it off!

done einherjar, 60k into nyzul isle, 2 assaults from captain, somewhere over 4k alexandrite. my main push right now is nyzul isle points, letting my wallet recover, once thats done my tags will be free for second run through assaults, and hopefully my time will free up to get a salvage group or a dynamis group sponsor/lead.

[nitsuj]

done einherjar, 60k into nyzul isle, 2 assaults from captain, somewhere over 4k alexandrite. my main push right now is nyzul isle points, letting my wallet recover, once thats done my tags will be free for second run through assaults, and hopefully my time will free up to get a salvage group or a dynamis group sponsor/lead.

Pretty sure Frodnonnag and I will finish about the same time (Thanksgiving to Valentines day window ^^)

I'm like month and a half or 2 months from finishing Einherjar (got 3 reward items >.>), 75k Nyzul Tokens and *might* be 2/3 ZNM trophies in a week if all goes well. < 1k Alex, though, and working on Captain along with Nyzul is a bitch and a half (but I'm doing it).

Trying to maximize my time, and *slowly* chip away at the Alex until at least 2 of the other requirements are done. Then I'll jump into the 3k market (currently buying for 2k if you're selling! )

I don't imagine I'll be the first one done, but that's ok. I could be the first on my server though. That could be cool.

[Indalecia]

I'd prolly be pushing pretty hard myself if i werent getting apoc atm.

[nitsuj]

so in other words... a long ways away.

is anyone close? as in... needs a few pop items, or just need alex, or just need titles, or... etc.

be neat to have someone really close to completion.

Of the vocal people, I think Fro and I are the best you got :/

[nitsuj]

well hurry up! XD

If i had the means / the drive / the time....

i would get one. This game is just not that important to me. GL it will be neat to see one.

I think you're lying to yourself. You're on here all the time. And I see your comments on FFXIAH

Just embrace the addiction! ^^