SMN Update Testing

[Spira]

alrighty :D

well.. assuming people do get the security token and the satchel.. its hardly an excuse for people to not have enough space on the go anymore.. 7 equip slots to me was nothing much as is.. (full storage / locker.. tho i'll admit 2 out of the 5 job equipments i have rarely see the light of day so they're tucked on my mannequin and that I don't play BLM)... but if i get the satchel i can safely say i will have never have storage issues again.

on a side note, if you're doing ANNM as SMN.. Leviathan rocks Groot Slangs world.

[EternalSnow]

Really, the best place for the body is as a BP piece. The -2 Perpetuation down can be beaten or matched by other body pieces, such as the Penance Robe or the Summoner's Doublet. The -4 BP timer is also matched by other pieces (You already have the Yinyang Robe, so I don't need to say anymore), so really, that's a waste too. My suggestion is to get the Pet: Accuracy and the Pet: Magic Attack/Accuracy. Frankly, you won't see too many body pieces that have it, and have it in large quantities either. Add in the fact that there are no real +Summoning Magic body pieces, and it's a sure winner.

Why would anyone buy a penence robe when they could get the free version from the royal thingy?

[chiyio]

Why would anyone buy a penence robe when they could get the free version from the royal thingy?

So you dont waste shit on meaningless stats that can be found elsewhere. Like a blm taking Abymissal Earring for the INT. NO NO NO

[DAKPluto]

So you dont waste shit on meaningless stats that can be found elsewhere. Like a blm taking Abymissal Earring for the INT. NO NO NO

^


And seriously....I'm a galka and ever since Siphon MP concerns have gone completely away. If these people need the -2 perp cost to control MP, they need to learn to play better.

[Acturus]

If these people need the -2 perp cost to control MP, they need to learn to play better.

fact

[Acturus]

ohh whatever.


That attitude is stupid. I have been playing summoner for 4 years, and I still find great value in having the best perpetuation gear. Sure MP isn't a HUGE issue as it was in the past, but you cant write it off like its so trivial.


I have 1400 mp, and with food I can hit 1500. I opted for the -2 perpetuation because having a 2mp tic garuda or fenrir at any given time is win. I can stretch my MP further, keep my avatar out longer, and get in an extra BP.

Now if you use summoner for HNM BP release. I would agree getting the -2 is worthless. If your using summoner for just about anything else the -2 will go a long way.

Its a matter of personal opinion, and what you use your avatar for. To say one thing is better than the other is close minded, and elitist.

It's 20MP more a minute, however you want to slice it. The only -value- to -2 Perp is that your Avatar can melee for longer periods of time, which in and of itself is offset by the BPs that ALL Summoners should be using.

Besides, it's not a question of whether or not -2 Perp is useful, but is it the -most- useful stat that can go on that slot, given alternatives. For what seems to be a significant majority of experienced Summoners, no, it's not the most useful.

[DAKPluto]

not to mention that soloing, I'd still rather have Avatar: Enmity +5 over the 1 perp cost. That shit comes in real handy.

[DAKPluto]

Ah, so I see you don't actually solo things that take time....just penny ante shit that is done in 2 minutes. Come back when you learn to play with the big boys.

[Shin Volcano]

ohh whatever.


That attitude is stupid. I have been playing summoner for 4 years, and I still find great value in having the best perpetuation gear. Sure MP isn't a HUGE issue as it was in the past, but you cant write it off like its so trivial.

What? - Prep on royal is a comeplte waste, Period, You already have AF2 which is -3 based on day, if youa re one of "i only need garuda!" only smns then you have a whole new set of problems. #2 YYR, case closed.

I have 1400 mp, and with food I can hit 1500. I opted for the -2 perpetuation because having a 2mp tic garuda or fenrir at any given time is win. I can stretch my MP further, keep my avatar out longer, and get in an extra BP.

What are on earth does having all that MP do for you?, furthermore...what does it have to do with wasting a augument sloted on RR? if you really want that -2 get a penace robe......i'd personaly put stats on RR that aren't availbe else where. YYR is still a better choice if all you care about is - prep.

Now if you use summoner for HNM BP release. I would agree getting the -2 is worthless. If your using summoner for just about anything else the -2 will go a long way.

No, and....no. just about everything else, that refresh on YYR goes a long way, unless you don't ever use carby. and even then "everything else" pretains to sololing or someway where that +5 Avatar enimity will help you out far better then a -1 prep, do you keep your pet out at all times untill you run comeplety out of MP?

Its a matter of personal opinion, and what you use your avatar for. To say one thing is better than the other is close minded, and elitist.

I do agree, but somethings people choose are just unresonable, or the benfits are not worth the waste of a slot, such as - prep on RR, SMN is my main job, and it caped out on gear. Trust me on this, it's a waste however way you look at it.

[Reapz]

Come back when you learn to play with the big boys.

Wow you are an idiot lol, I just cringed at that

[Shin Volcano]

what do you solo with carbuncle? who solo's with carby anymore? A quick P claws or Eclipse Bite takes care of hate.

Try doing that when you are left with 50 MP.

[DAKPluto]

its called perpetuation I heard it helps you keep your mp, so you dont end up in that sort of situation.

Gratz, you will have 70 MP instead of 50. I'm sure that will come in handy

[nitsuj]

Darkrift- don't feed the trolls. We had such a good conversation the last few days with various summoner's talking about the versatility of the job and now people are going to come to argue.

Everyone has their opinion, some people just enjoy arguing theirs and that's fine. No need to contribute.

Also, I still solo stuff with Carbuncle. That little dude is more powerful than people give him credit for

[Shin Volcano]

its called perpetuation I heard it helps you keep your mp, so you dont end up in that sort of situation.

Ok try soloing somthing that isnt a DC goblin, otherwise this is about as wrong as it can be, YYR/AF2 body already helps keep your MP, you don't fucking need a WASTED -PREP COST on a fuckign RR are you seriously this retarded? so when you run out of mp, and you need to kite somthing to get it back you going to sit there and "say, well shit, i can't PC in my -prep 2 RR so ill just sit here and die" no you fucking bust carby out and refresh your mp. he is there for a reason, PC is 164 MP, and if you can get 1500 MP, chances are you're saracficing a stat that is more important then that - HP. clearly you have never been in a challanging situation with SMN.

[Shin Volcano]

no you clearly dont agree. I also am not going to trust you, because i know for a fact that its not a waste.

Really? after a week of it being out, you are already a master of - prep on RR works, i tell you what, Go solo Aqurius with it and come back and lemme know how it goes.

[AoshiZ]

Ok try soloing somthing that isnt a DC goblin, otherwise this is about as wrong as it can be, YYR/AF2 body already helps keep your MP, you don't fucking need a WASTED -PREP COST on a fuckign RR are you seriously this retarded? so when you run out of mp, and you need to kite somthing to get it back you going to sit there and "say, well shit, i can't PC in my -prep 2 RR so ill just sit here and die" no you fucking bust carby out and refresh your mp. he is there for a reason, PC is 164 MP, and if you can get 1500 MP, chances are you're saracficing a stat that is more important then that - HP. clearly you have never been in a challanging situation with SMN.

I have to disagree. The -2 perpetuation cost and what the penance robe offered before was a specific configuration which allowed for a free Garuda (With Sanction, Conjurers ring, Nash gages, evoke piga+1, evokers ring, hachigane)

With sch support job (sublimation) a summoner can indefinitely keep garuda out with sparse times of using elemental siphon. This is incredibly important when me and my wife low man some IT++ NM's with 2 smn's where you need to continually tank the NM with tankable avatar. Carbuncle just doesn't maintain the hate well enough when using offensive blood pacts.

This is in no way a comparison between hateless carbuncle soloing which is also viable for various things

[umisame]

Aquarius is so hard... L O L!

For solo situations: Fenrir > all.

[Shin Volcano]

I have to disagree. The -2 perpetuation cost and what the penance robe offered before was a specific configuration which allowed for a free Garuda (With Sanction, Conjurers ring, Nash gages, evoke piga+1, evokers ring, hachigane)

With sch support job (sublimation) a summoner can indefinitely keep garuda out with sparse times of using elemental siphon. This is incredibly important when me and my wife low man some IT++ NM's with 2 smn's where you need to continually tank the NM with tankable avatar. Carbuncle just doesn't maintain the hate well enough when using offensive blood pacts.

This is in no way a comparison between hateless carbuncle soloing which is also viable for various things

Carby is for more of a emergency situation, if you run out if you say fall below 100 MP, keeping any others out will just kill the rest of your MP, what im trying to say is RR has better choices then -2 prep, as i stated in one of the posts, if he wants -2 prep, get Penance robe. MAB+7 and MACC+7 for example can even help carbuncle's damage from metoetrite, while attack+15 can even help his meele attacks, maybe if they gave you 3 choices, but you only get 2 here, and there is no room to use - prep as a choice, if you don't have peneace or Af2 maybe, but even then, for me if it's wind day and a sch is there or wind weather garuda is already free, even then, on winday with that newer head peice, she only cost you one. and as far as keeping hate goes...YYR again..+5 enimity. it's a matter of survival.

[Shin Volcano]

Aquarius is so hard... L O L!

For solo situations: Fenrir > all.

Have you ever tried soling him as SMN LOL? Fenrir sure as hell won't help you there.

[umisame]

I soloed 3-4 years ago as lvl 68, so yes i soloed it.

Edit:
I used carbuncle and it was long fight, i didnt use any BP. Now i could use Fenrir without land BP. I wanted to try it with diabolos(somnolence+nether blast) but other person claimed it.