Elegy nerf or HNM Buff?

[ErzaScarlet]

I did not say elegy on sarameya.

I'll admit my current ls does not do much ZNM so its been a while since I have done it but i do remember stunning GoH.

The point where he chainspells GoH is below 10% so any GoH from 25-10% would be able to be stunned.

Although we would likely Zerg Sara, i know there are ls who either take it down slowly I even know ppl who low manned it and wiped under 9% then had to hold it and restart(wont chainspell again). If GoH became unstunnable, it would be an issue in this situation.

I have never tanked Sara, I believe main tank was an Aegis PLD did not notice Fire resist set, but I wasnt paying him complete attention so I cant be sure.
Anyway there was a brd rotation at about 13% 1 of the 4 brd SV we did 4 pops if i remember and it was zerged down from there but stuns were still used earlier in the fight to help mitigate damage. Heck there may even have been CS stun for the last 13%.

Anyway i'm suprised ive typed this much, i'm done here unless any new information comes up.

[Renzy]

Pop, time for testing
I'll let y'all know what happens

[Lilswitche]

Pop, time for testing
I'll let y'all know what happens

Chainspell stun it and find out how fast it builds resist!

[Ansems]

wtf are you talking abt....why has sarameya got to do with cerberus........

if you have tried both, you should know they are not comparable

who cares about sarameya's GOH, or elegy etc etc etc hes dead in 1 min w/o sp

as for cerberus getting tougher, not sure if this is good news or bad news

but yea, things need to be tougher

^

[Darkslitter]

Some of your RDMs should be subbing BLM. Can your BLMs not stun or something? :X

blms go to cerb?

[Ivve]

blms go to cerb?

Well how else is everyone getting home? Cudgels are for noobs.

[Therin]

Correct way to kill Sarameya:

YouTube - Beyond - Phoenix : Sarameya ZNM in 48 Seconds

[Zaredx]

Well how else is everyone getting home? Cudgels are for noobs.

And here I am using my legs like a sucker

[Renzy]

Yeah our Troubadour ES Elegy's lasted 4 minutes so there was a lot of times when elegy was down and it attacked like a motherfucker, also ES Slow lasted about 2 minutes.
We had 0 stun resists and it did about 10 or so gates, maybe because we had 2 BLM and a DRK stunning and no RDM/DRK (So we couldn't try chainspell stun )

[oldoldman]

Anyway i'm suprised ive typed this much, i'm done here unless any new information comes up.

Please don't come back.

[[Cookies]]

blms go to cerb?

If they don't have a more valuable job, sure. Entirely different situation if you're lowmanning though.

[Shinsei]

Yeah our Troubadour ES Elegy's lasted 4 minutes so there was a lot of times when elegy was down and it attacked like a motherfucker, also ES Slow lasted about 2 minutes.
We had 0 stun resists and it did about 10 or so gates, maybe because we had 2 BLM and a DRK stunning and no RDM/DRK (So we couldn't try chainspell stun )

After that ls wiped and we fought it, we had 0 stun resist out of 19-21 GoH with the two rdms we had there, low manned Cerberus. Hell for argument sakes, the attempt before the other LS wiping was our first resisted stun on Cerb. Cerb really doesn't build much of a resist compared to like Khimaira. I've done countless cerbs in my career with a few occasions with it spamming GoH in constant repetition and never once met a resist from any of our mages. It's simply just one of those random shit luck more to say.

As far as elegy goes, I don't know if that was a ninja edit or just another thing that got broken with the update, who knows. We'll find out after the maintenance

[evilpaul]

If elegy and RDM debuff nerf is intentional, SE probably do it to encourage magic evasion debuff, a very ugly way to promote nspell II/Death Blossom and Stutter steps.

DIAF.


Ahlah: Hey dudes! I think you should have a RDM melee and use Death Blossom!

Jim: We're talking about Woodworking. Seriously. Go away.

Ahlah: Oh. Well, I think you should have the RDM melee and use Death Blossom.

Jim: Now we're talking about where to go for lunch. Fuck off with the RDM melee.

Ahlah: Oh.

Later, at Chili's...

Jim: Yeah, so I'd like...need something strong, a Long Island Iced Tea and some mixed apps plate.

Waiter Ahlah: Can I recommend you have the RDM melee and use Death Blossom?

[Kirschy]

hmm that sucks, any idea if it is a less potent slow? KIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSCHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WRU?!

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Don't you dare hurt that cute adorable taru!! I'll test when servers come up, but sounds like no potency change~

[Darkslitter]

Don't you dare hurt that cute adorable taru!! I'll test when servers come up, but sounds like no potency change~

u_u

Spoiler: show

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[Ahlah]

DIAF.


Ahlah: Hey dudes! I think you should have a RDM melee and use Death Blossom!

Jim: We're talking about Woodworking. Seriously. Go away.

Ahlah: Oh. Well, I think you should have the RDM melee and use Death Blossom.

Jim: Now we're talking about where to go for lunch. Fuck off with the RDM melee.

Ahlah: Oh.

Later, at Chili's...

Jim: Yeah, so I'd like...need something strong, a Long Island Iced Tea and some mixed apps plate.

Waiter Ahlah: Can I recommend you have the RDM melee and use Death Blossom?

I am starting to believe that some idiots will never understand simple logics.

How many hints do ppl need from SE to realise there could be a reason behind all the recent changes - Enspell2/DB/composure/auspice and now elemental seal nerf? Double BRD/BLM is not a new concept, ppl have been doing it for a while. Now in order to keep elegy on HNM all the time you will need 3 BRD/BLM. RDM appears to have a hard time sticking slow/paralyze too.

If enspell/DB works, all you need is one BRD/WHM and RDM can stick debuff, that's way better than bringing another BRD/BLM.

[evilpaul]

Yes, either Square Enix has an elaborate plan beyond the grasp of most of the player base about how we should go about killing various monsters OR they broke a whole bunch of shit and have little idea what they're doing or how people play their game.

[Aksannyi]

Or maybe they want people to stop fail and kill HNMs in less than 4 hours without several near-wipes.

Oh, who am I kidding. :/

[Ahlah]

Elemental seal nerf is not unreasonble. It's one of the most broken JA in this game, a lot HNM startegies exploit ES. BRD with HQ stave and instrument can land Elegy on HNM naked with ES. It completely defeat the purpose of debuff gear in HNM battle. I am not surprised if ppl discover ES sleep II no longer last long enough to keep Ouryu slept all the time on the ground.

There were times when ppl laughed at the concept of fire resist gear and meleezerg Kirin fight. At least SE clearly stated they want RDM to melee under specific conditions.

[Kipling]

Elemental seal nerf is not unreasonble. It's one of the most broken JA in this game, a lot HNM startegies exploit ES. BRD with HQ stave and instrument can land Elegy on HNM naked with ES. It completely defeat the purpose of debuff gear in HNM battle. I am not surprised if ppl discover ES sleep II no longer last long enough to keep Ouryu slept all the time on the ground.

There were times when ppl laughed at the concept of fire resist gear and meleezerg Kirin fight. At least SE clearly stated they want RDM to melee under specific conditions.

Except you can only use it every 10 minutes?